Thanks for finding time to comment Cromwell.
The 30th Jan, and this event,is not an anniversary I forget: it is Al’s father’s birthday. He has always enjoyed its place as he is anti-monarchist and anti privilege, despite his (state funded) public and Oxford education. It is funny as his wife’s parents worked in the colonies after the war, so politically they do not see eye to eye!
Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)
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@Cmdr:
@Cmdr:
Wow, Tard-boy, even when you stumble right into your own traps you are oblivious.
Thats it? I prove you wrong on almost everything and all you got is a lame personal attack? Kind of a hollow victory. Anyway I shall smite thee righetously and move on.
You’ve proved no one wrong on anything.
Foster does not give up his seat in Nov.
Actually, he does. He physically sits there, but when he’s out, he’s out. As I’ve always said. You’ve failed to prove that a deposed congressman is a political power after he is deposed.
The Dow hasn’t hit 10,000 since 2005
Rounded it has. April 2007 it dropped below 11,000 which is in the 10,000 range. Just like today it’s crept up just over 12,000 we don’t say it’s 13,000 we say it’s 12,000. Just like under the 109th Congress it peaked in the 14,000s.
There are online newspapers in Foster’s district (14th congressional)
I never said there was not. I said that you were too lazy to go find them. I also said that the papers all say that the votes after absentee ballots dropped his lead and that polls all the way through show him to not be the favored candidate, even the day of the election. You have not disproved that.
Turnout in the Foster race was 22%
You agree with me. I said that turn out was at record lows and went so far as to even tell you WHY. Main polling places, places people have voted in for 50+ years, were closed causing confusion and disarray resulting in many republicans being, effectively, disenfranchised because they were not told where to go to vote. However, democrats, who generally congregate in high population centers like cities, saw on road signs that they had to go to the court houses for the special elections and that the normal polling places were closed. This resulted in an abnormally high turn out of democrats compared to republicans.
Foster won by over 5000 votes and 6%
Again, not counting the absentees, I agreed with you. After the absentees were counted, his lead dropped to just over 112 votes. Unfortunately, absentee ballots were determined to be inadmissible due to the very short term the congressman would have. Waiting to count them all would only make the term ever so much shorter and useless.
Barack has never said “he isn’t too disappointed with being back in second place because he never thought the black candidate would beat Hillary”
Really. That was the gist of his speech yesterday. I never put his words in {quote} {/quote} tags because it was not word for word. It was the gist of his message that he never expected to be in first, and now that he’s not first anymore, it’s not too much of a set back because he never expected to be first. In other words, he’s okay with being in second because it’s where he always expected to be.
Of course, people are more interested with him calling his Grandma a racist but his pastor just a good American.
Congress routinely votes on (and passes) legislation in Jan and Feb
And as I said, had I said it was the 110th Congress’s fault because of bad legislation, you would have attempted to claim it couldn’t have been because there was not enough time. So, I exaggerated a bit and got you to fall right into the trap. Now that you’ve confirmed that it really IS the 110th Congress’s fault, you are attempting to change the subject to feel superior in some way. It’s okay. I understand that when you lose as big as you have in the past few weeks, being wrong in every regard, you have to try some of this stuff in order to feel like you don’t have to go commit suicide.
The beginning of Congress’s term is when they’re sworn in, not when they pass “most of their legislation”
I never claimed it was when congress passes their legislation. I talked you into proving that the current Congress was inept and it was their ineptitude that caused the Housing Market Crash AND the Economic recession/depression. Not my fault you walked right into it. I cannot be faulted for leaving my fist out and allowing you to run face first into it.
Neither Congress nor Bush have anything to do with the credit/housing crisis.
Sure, and the President has nothing to do with negotiating treaties or commanding the armed forces. While we’re at it, let’s pretend that Senators are only present to serve finger sandwiches to the Queen and that Congressmen are supposed to have their room mates run prostitution rings out of their homes.
Hell boy, the ONLY branch of government with the power to create or destroy a housing or credit or economic crises IS THE CONGRESS. If you give me your address, I’ll be glad to mail you your very own copy of the US Constitution, I think you need to read it, because you don’t know what’s in it.
A) Gambling is immoral.
B) I don’t steal from the socially handicapped. If you had information to make the playing field more level, I may consider it.
Anyway, as I have shown, you’ve been wrong in EVERY regard. Every last one. You’ve fallen into every pit fall there is because you do not see them coming and that’s because you buy into the lies spoon fed to you by the media elite. Honestly, get out of the gutter and go look into things more then just getting a headline or two.
Read Barry’s speeches, read a news paper article all the way through from a district you are talking about, not a national media elite article. Do some research into things. And for god’s sake, try to figure out what someone’s argument is before you step into a pile of dung trying to be holier then thou and prove someone wrong only to ultimately prove them right!
I’m just trying to help. I’m sure with some consoling you can return to being a productive member of society! As it is now, you are very easy to play, it’s almost no fun anymore - except when I get to school you like I am now. I said it was the 110th Congress’ fault for the economic mess we were in, you said it wasn’t, I said it was because they promised to take us into a new direction, you said it was the 109th’s fault, I then decided to claim they were too incompetent to get anything done and you went right out and proved that it was their legislation that caused this mess, you even found the specific bills for me!
If you are going to argue it’s not their fault, do not find the evidence proving it is. It’s a simple thing to figure out. But knowing you like the holier then thou road, all I had to do was take a different tack on my attack and let you come to me.
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Lets just focus on one thing here. Its very illuminating. I said
The Dow hasn’t hit 10,000 since 2005
You said:
@Cmdr:
Rounded it has.
No it hasnt. From 2007 to PRESENT it hasn’t fallen below 11500. If you’re rounding 11500 to 10,000, youre an idiot. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=DJIA&sid=1643&o_symb=DJIA&freq=1&time=9
April 2007 it dropped below 11,000 which is in the 10,000 range.
No it didn’t. April 2007, it never dropped below 12,000. How do you go through life not knowing how to read a basic chart?
we say it’s 12,000.
No we don’t. We say it closed at 12361.
Just like under the 109th Congress it peaked in the 14,000s.
No it didn’t. It didnt hit 14000 until July 2007. During the 110th Congress
“The Dow Jones Industrial Average topped a record 14,000 this week, but other concerns about the economy remained, including an increase in housing foreclosures. A columnist explains the economic factors.”
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/business/july-dec07/market_07-20.html
July 20, 2007And that basically sums up the difference between us. You have no clue what youre talking about and I have to correct you.
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Two things…
One: Never argue DJIA averages with Jen. Regardless of your figures and sources, she refuses to accept them. I learned that a couple years ago :-P
Two: Back on topic of Presidential Candidates please. The thread has gone off on a tangent and needs to get back on topic or it goes away.
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OK. Read this Switch:
"WASHINGTON -It is already easy to imagine the Republican attack ads against Barack Obama.
They open with video of his wife, Michelle, saying she was proud of America “for the first time in my adult lifetime” because of her husband’s presidential candidacy. Cut to the Illinois Senator explaining that he doesn’t wear an American flag lapel pin because it is a “substitute for true patriotism.” Then flash a clip of Obama explaining that his Caucasian grandmother was a “typical white person” because she uttered racial epithets and was afraid of black people.
Finally, the coup de grace, pictures of Obama’s angry, arm-waving preacher blaming the United States for 9/11 and shouting “God Damn America” to the rafters of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ." http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=392200
Thats exactly how its gonna go down. Obama, the new Gary Hart?
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OK. Read this Switch:
"WASHINGTON -It is already easy to imagine the Republican attack ads against Barack Obama.
They open with video of his wife, Michelle, saying she was proud of America “for the first time in my adult lifetime” because of her husband’s presidential candidacy. Cut to the Illinois Senator explaining that he doesn’t wear an American flag lapel pin because it is a “substitute for true patriotism.” Then flash a clip of Obama explaining that his Caucasian grandmother was a “typical white person” because she uttered racial epithets and was afraid of black people.
Finally, the coup de grace, pictures of Obama’s angry, arm-waving preacher blaming the United States for 9/11 and shouting “God Damn America” to the rafters of Chicago’s Trinity United Church of Christ." http://www.nationalpost.com/news/world/story.html?id=392200
Thats exactly how its gonna go down. Obama, the new Gary Hart?
Since when is quoting your opponent an attack ad???
And Switch is just miffed because my sources were better then his sources. So you can ignore him on that.
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Well, its an attack on his character, but as long as Obamas not taken out of context or misquoted (and you dont need to do that to make him look bad), its going to be that rarity in politics- an accurate political attack.
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That’s going to be Hillary’s argument to the Super Delegates. Now that Barack is labeled the Racist Candidate and there’s any number of idiotic statements he’s made that Republicans can use against him - everything from calling his Grandmother a Racist to saying all white people are racist because his Racist Grandmother is typical of the white population all the way too what his friends and family says around him - that he cannot realistically win in November against the extremely “moderate” (read Democrat leaning) Republican John McCain.
Ya know, when the DNC was busy electing McCain for the RNC they said WE were imploding. But look at the DNC! They’re not only imploding, they in all out Cold War with each other! It’s a battle to the death, who will lead the party into the new millennium? The Clintons or the Kennedys? And, to top it off, they’re disenfranchising 4% of the nation right from the start! (2 out of 50 states is 4%)
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If the Dems cant win in this environment, they should pack it in. Start a new “know nothing” party or something.
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Gary Hart was not brought down by attack ads. He was brought down when he DARED the press to follow him to try to find something, and they did… his little tryst on a boat that happened to be called “The Monkey Business”
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A lotof Baracs troubles have been of the self-inflicted variety.
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Generally speaking, all the democrats troubles in the past two decades have been of the self-inflicted kind. Republicans just do not go around looking for things to hit democrats with. However, when you’re given a golden opportunity, you’d be a fool NOT to use it! If Barry’s going to hang around with racists and call his grandmother not only a racist, but indicative of all white people; then he cannot complain when democrats and republicans a like run from him as fast as possible!
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With the more that comes to light on every candidate that is on the ballot, the more I woundn’t mind voting blindfolded….
I wish Kinky Friedman were running. Now there’s someone worth voting for.
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@stuka:
With the more that comes to light on every candidate that is on the ballot, the more I woundn’t mind voting blindfolded….
I wish Kinky Friedman were running. Now there’s someone worth voting for.
I just really wish we had an American running for President.
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i’d vote for this guy. he seems pretty american.
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Truth be told…
With a choice of Barrack, Hillary, and John…
I am voting LIBERTARIAN this year, no matter who they put forward as their candidate.
I am DONE voting for the “Evil of two Lessers” Neither Republican nor Democrat gets my vote unless and until they put forward a candidate that is strong national defense (including border security), strong personal liberty, and anti-big government. None of the 3 current options meet ANY of those, let alone all 3.
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It will not be until their convention in late May until the Libertarian candidate is announced. Right now Wayne Allyn Root is leading in funds raised and probably has the best name recognition of the potential candidates.
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I’da thought Ron Paul would have the libertarian party nomination synched, to be honest.
Anyway, I don’t feel like throwing my vote away on a third party that has no chance at victory. I’d rather dream McCain picks an ultra conservative for his Veep and then has to retire mid term due to age related health problems, hopefully BEFORE he can pass the democrat legislation he’s been trying to get through for 8+ years now.
Otherwise, it looks like my vote’s going to Hillary. If I have to vote for someone who’s going to F-up this country, I may as well put it in the hands of the democrats so our side has a better chance next time (assuming next time we figure out we need a conservative.)
If Barry gets the nomination, all bets are off. I kinda like having the privilege of owning property and sitting where ever I bloody well want too on the bus. I don’t need a racist in the White House telling me different, or plundering my country to give reparations to his buddies.
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@ncscswitch:
Truth be told…
With a choice of Barrack, Hillary, and John…
I am voting LIBERTARIAN this year, no matter who they put forward as their candidate.
I am DONE voting for the “Evil of two Lessers” Neither Republican nor Democrat gets my vote unless and until they put forward a candidate that is strong national defense (including border security), strong personal liberty, and anti-big government. None of the 3 current options meet ANY of those, let alone all 3.
You are just like my ol’ man, Switch. So stop it… you’re scaring me.
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Stuka would you rather Die standing or Live on your knees? Yes that is an extreme and probably not what we are dealing with, but it is a point of ideals…
GG
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@ncscswitch:
Gary Hart was not brought down by attack ads. He was brought down when he DARED the press to follow him to try to find something, and they did… his little tryst on a boat that happened to be called “The Monkey Business”
This song has been stuck in my head since I read this.
Balad of Gary Hart
Who’s that running down the alley
In the dark of Friday night
As he zippers up his trousers
In the inky slinky light
Why, of course, it’s good old Gary
Leaping over someone’s fence
Yes, it’s good old Gary Hart
I wouldn’t keep you in suspense
He likes going out to parties
He likes being a rolling stone
And he ran things for McGovern
So I guess we should have known
He likes warm and willing women
He likes being where they are
He couldn’t sing, he couldn’t dance
But he just had to be a starSo he went into the Politics Game
Yes, he went into the politics game
Warren Beatty told him “looky”
You can get a lot of nookie
If you get into the politics game
When he made it to the Senate
Gary started making hay
Gary started making nearly
Everything that came his way
He liked taking a position
But when all is said and done
Gary’s favorite position
Was the missionary one
Jimmy Dean was Gary’s hero
And he studied him with care
How he stood and how he walked
And even how he wore his hair
But the thing that moved him most
And made him swear he’d never fail
If he made it to the White House
Think of all the chicks he’d nailSo he went into the Politics Game
Yes, he went into the politics game
Warren Beatty told him “looky”
You can get a lot of nookie
If you get into the politics game
Well, he met her at a party
And her name was Donna Rice
She was Gary’s kind of woman
She was pure “Miami Vice”
She thought he was Gary Collins
And could get her on TV
She suggested monkey business
And the rest is history
When they caught him makin’ whooppee
And the campaign had to cease
Gary went into seclusion
He just had to find some peace
He’s been out in Colorado
Since, I can’t remember when
But he must be gettin’ horny
‘Cause he’s runnin’ once againSo he’s running into the Politics Game
Yes, he’s running into the politics game
Warren Beatty told him “looky”
You can get a lot of nookie
If you get into the politics game
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