BSD (Axis +6) vs Karl (Allies)

[Karl7]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 12

Purchase Units - Americans
            Americans buy 8 bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Americans
            1 infantry moved from Caroline Islands to 33 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 33 Sea Zone to 19 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 19 Sea Zone to Kiangsu
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Hawaiian Islands to 26 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 26 Sea Zone to 17 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 17 Sea Zone to Iwo Jima
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Western United States to 10 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 10 Sea Zone to 3 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 3 Sea Zone to Soviet Far East
            2 destroyers and 4 fighters moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Tobruk to Alexandria

Combat - Americans
            Battle in Kiangsu
            Battle in Iwo Jima
            Battle in Soviet Far East
            Battle in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans attack with 2 destroyers and 4 fighters
                Italians defend with 1 submarine
                    Americans roll dice for 2 destroyers and 4 fighters in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 :  3/6 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 submarine in 91 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 submarine owned by the Italians lost in 91 Sea Zone
                Americans win, taking Kiangsu from Japanese, taking Iwo Jima from Japanese, taking Soviet Far East from Japanese with 2 destroyers and 4 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Italians: 1 submarine
            Trigger Chinese Destroy Factories Kiangsu Americans: has removed 1 factory_minor owned by Chinese in Kiangsu

Non Combat Move - Americans
            2 infantry moved from United Kingdom to 110 Sea Zone
            2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 91 Sea Zone to Gibraltar
            5 bombers moved from Yunnan to Caroline Islands
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers, 2 fighters and 4 submarines moved from 26 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from 33 Sea Zone to Caroline Islands
            1 submarine moved from 44 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 42 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 20 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 35 Sea Zone to 21 Sea Zone
            1 carrier, 2 destroyers and 4 submarines moved from 10 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 26 Sea Zone to 25 Sea Zone
            1 submarine moved from 16 Sea Zone to 22 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Eastern United States to 26 Sea Zone

Place Units - Americans
            8 bombers placed in Western United States

Turn Complete - Americans
            Americans collect 58 PUs; end with 58 PUs
            Trigger Americans 7 North Africa Beach Head: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Americans 3 Defense Obligations: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
            Objective Americans 4 Philippines: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 73 PUs
            Objective Americans 2 Outer Territories: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 78 PUs
            Objective Americans 8 Pacific Airfields: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 83 PUs
            Objective Americans 1 Homeland: Americans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 93 PUs
            Objective Americans 9 Vital Forward Bases: Americans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 98 PUs
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Yunnan: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Caroline Islands: 1 bomber
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

Purchase Units - Chinese
            Trigger Chinese Loses Burma Road: Chinese has their production frontier changed to: productionChinese_Burma_Road_Closed

Combat Move - Chinese

Turn Complete - Chinese
            Chinese collect 4 PUs; end with 6 PUs

Purchase Units - British
            British buy 12 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Purchase Units - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific buy 1 artillery and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - British
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from 56 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to 37 Sea Zone: 1 submarine
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 110 Sea Zone to 91 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Gibraltar to 98 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
            1 fighter moved from Iraq to Egypt
            2 armour moved from Iraq to Egypt
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Iraq to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Caucasus
            2 infantry moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            2 fighters moved from Yunnan to Szechwan
            1 fighter moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys moved from Yunnan to Malaya
            1 infantry moved from Yunnan to Kweichow
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to Siam
                  UK_Pacific take Siam from Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Shan State to Malaya
            1 submarine moved from 43 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone

Combat - British
            Battle in Kweichow
                British attack with 1 fighter and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Kweichow, round 2 :  1/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Kweichow
                British win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
            Battle in Egypt
                British attack with 2 armour and 1 fighter
                Italians defend with 1 airfield, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 marine
                    British roll dice for 2 armour and 1 fighter in Egypt, round 2 :  2/3 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 marine in Egypt, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 marine owned by the Italians lost in Egypt
                British win, taking Egypt from Italians with 2 armour and 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Italians: 1 marine
            Battle in Szechwan
                British attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Szechwan, round 2 :  1/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Szechwan, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Szechwan
                    British roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Szechwan, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Szechwan, round 3 :  0/1 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Szechwan
                British win, taking Szechwan from Japanese with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in Caucasus
                British attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry
                Germans defend with 2 mech_infantrys
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Caucasus, round 3 :  1/3 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 2 mech_infantrys in Caucasus, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 4 :  1/2 hits
                    Germans roll dice for 1 mech_infantry in Caucasus, round 4 :  0/1 hits
                    1 mech_infantry owned by the Germans lost in Caucasus
                British win, taking Caucasus from Germans with 1 artillery and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5
                Casualties for Germans: 2 mech_infantrys
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in 98 Sea Zone
                British attack with 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber
                Italians defend with 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport
                    British roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport in 98 Sea Zone, round 2 :  0/3 hits
                    2 destroyers owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                    British roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 :  3/4 hits
                    Italians roll dice for 1 cruiser and 1 transport in 98 Sea Zone, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 transport owned by the Italians, 1 fighter owned by the British and 1 cruiser owned by the Italians lost in 98 Sea Zone
                British win with 2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 25
                Casualties for Italians: 1 cruiser, 2 destroyers and 1 transport
                Casualties for British: 1 fighter
            Battle in Malaya
                British attack with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys
                Japanese defend with 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                    British roll dice for 1 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys in Malaya, round 2 :  2/4 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 infantry in Malaya, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Japanese lost in Malaya
                British win, taking Malaya from Japanese with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - British
            2 fighters moved from Szechwan to Yunnan
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Burma to Yunnan
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from India to Burma
            1 aaGun, 8 armour, 4 artilleries and 16 infantry moved from Northwest Persia to Iraq
            2 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 98 Sea Zone to Trans-Jordan
            2 armour moved from Iraq to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter moved from Egypt to Trans-Jordan
            1 fighter moved from Kweichow to Yunnan

Place Units - British
            3 infantry placed in Iraq
            9 infantry placed in United Kingdom

Turn Complete - British
            British collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUs
            Trigger British 3 No Enemy Submarines: British met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 38 PUs

Place Units - UK_Pacific
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in India

Turn Complete - UK_Pacific
            UK_Pacific collect 15 PUs; end with 15 PUs
            Trigger UK Pacific 4 No Enemy Submarines: UK_Pacific met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 18 PUs
            Some Units in India change ownership: 1 artillery and 2 infantry

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[BSD]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 12

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 armour, 7 infantry and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 3 infantry and 2 transports moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 98 Sea Zone to Egypt
            1 bomber moved from Greece to Egypt
            1 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            2 artilleries, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            2 armour moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            2 fighters moved from Volgograd to Caucasus

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Egypt
                Italians attack with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry
                British defend with 1 airfield, 2 armour, 1 factory_minor and 1 harbour
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Egypt, round 2 :  0/5 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 armour in Egypt, round 2 :  1/2 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Egypt
                    Italians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Egypt, round 3 :  2/4 hits
                    British roll dice for 2 armour in Egypt, round 3 :  1/2 hits
                    2 armour owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Egypt
                Italians win, taking Egypt from British with 1 artillery, 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Italians: 2 infantry
                Casualties for British: 2 armour
            Battle in Caucasus
                Italians attack with 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                    Italians roll dice for 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Caucasus, round 2 :  3/12 hits
                    British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Caucasus, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Caucasus
                Italians win, taking Caucasus from British with 2 armour, 2 artilleries, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            2 infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            1 infantry moved from Tambov to Rostov
            1 bomber moved from Egypt to Greece
            2 fighters moved from Caucasus to Greece
            1 aaGun and 3 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy
            1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Western Germany to Northern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 armour and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            3 infantry placed in Southern Italy
            4 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 24 PUs; end with 24 PUs
            Objective Italians 2 Roman Empire: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 29 PUs
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 34 PUs

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[Karl7]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 12

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Celebes
                ANZAC attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Celebes, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 3 :  2/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Celebes, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Celebes
                ANZAC win, taking Celebes from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 26 PUs

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[Karl7]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 12

Purchase Units - ANZAC
            ANZAC buy 1 infantry, 2 submarines and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 infantry moved from Queensland to 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 54 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 artillery moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 42 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes

Combat - ANZAC
            Battle in Celebes
                ANZAC attack with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese defend with 1 artillery
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 2 :  0/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Celebes, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Celebes, round 3 :  2/2 hits
                    Japanese roll dice for 1 artillery in Celebes, round 3 :  1/1 hits
                    1 artillery owned by the Japanese and 1 infantry owned by the ANZAC lost in Celebes
                ANZAC win, taking Celebes from Japanese with 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 1
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 artillery

Non Combat Move - ANZAC
            1 submarine moved from 55 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer and 1 submarine moved from 54 Sea Zone to 33 Sea Zone

Place Units - ANZAC
            2 submarines and 1 transport placed in 54 Sea Zone
            1 infantry placed in New South Wales

Turn Complete - ANZAC
            ANZAC collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUs
            Trigger ANZAC 1 Control Original And Malaya: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 20 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 2 Control Strategic Islands: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 23 PUs
            Objective ANZAC 3 Pacific Supply Lines: ANZAC met a national objective for an additional 3 PUs; end with 26 PUs

Combat Move - French
            1 infantry moved from Iraq to Northwest Persia

Non Combat Move - French

Turn Complete - French

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[BSD]

When I l click to end France’s turn it says “The Axis achieve victory by controlling 8 victory cities, would you like to continue?”  I was under the impression that since we traded Egypt I didn’t hold 8 for a full round so it wouldn’t trigger a victory.  Is victory achieved by holding 8 at the end of a round (i.e through the end of France) or is it achieved by holding 8 for a turn after you’ve taken 8 (i.e. if I take it with Italy, holding 8 until Italy’s next turn)?

[Karl7]

@BSD:

When I l click to end France’s turn it says “The Axis achieve victory by controlling 8 victory cities, would you like to continue?”  I was under the impression that since we traded Egypt I didn’t hold 8 for a full round so it wouldn’t trigger a victory.  Is victory achieved by holding 8 at the end of a round (i.e through the end of France) or is it achieved by holding 8 for a turn after you’ve taken 8 (i.e. if I take it with Italy, holding 8 until Italy’s next turn)?

Yeah, you need to hold 8 continuously for 1 round.  Could be you are using an older version of triple a?  But it’s not correct.

I mean you are going to win anyway, I think.  I guess there’s a small chance I can still do something.  Plus its fun for the Axis to really stick it to me now.

Go ahead and play Germany through Japan.  I can edit in Russia after since all I have is 3 ftrs.  I will evaluate after Japan and see if I surrender.

[BSD]

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 Balanced Mod3, version: 3.3

Game History

Round: 13

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 16 armour and 1 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
            3 bombers moved from Rostov to Northwest Persia

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Northwest Persia
                Germans attack with 3 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys
                French defend with 1 infantry
                    Germans roll dice for 3 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys in Northwest Persia, round 2 :  2/5 hits
                    ANZAC roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 :  0/1 hits
                    1 infantry owned by the French lost in Northwest Persia
                Germans win, taking Northwest Persia from ANZAC with 3 bombers and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for French: 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Germans
            3 bombers moved from Northwest Persia to Egypt
            3 fighters and 9 tactical_bombers moved from Rostov to Egypt
            5 fighters moved from Western Germany to Egypt
            3 fighters and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 112 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Germany to Western Germany
            6 armour and 4 mech_infantrys moved from Poland to Novgorod
            1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
            1 battleship, 2 carriers, 1 cruiser, 1 destroyer, 2 submarines and 1 transport moved from 112 Sea Zone to 113 Sea Zone
            1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
            3 aaGuns moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 aaGun and 7 infantry moved from Rostov to Caucasus
            31 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Samara to Caucasus
            4 artilleries and 7 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
            1 infantry moved from Vologda to Russia

Place Units - Germans
            3 armour placed in Volgograd
            3 armour placed in Russia
            9 armour and 1 infantry placed in Western Germany
            1 armour placed in Novgorod

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 0
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 6,6
            Germans collect 59 PUs; end with 59 PUs
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 64 PUs
            Objective Germans 6 Control Iraq Or Persia Or Northwest Persia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 66 PUs
            Objective Germans 7 Control of Balkans: Germans met a national objective for an additional 2 PUs; end with 68 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 83 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 88 PUs

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[Karl7]

ah, good move.

I concede.

Want to rematach again?  I’ll take axis for 10.

[BSD]

I bid 6.

[Karl7]

5

[BSD]

I bid 4, if you go 3 you can have them.

[Karl7]

ok, you can have them at 4.

:lol:

PM me when game is ready