Im going to try and incorporate it in my play now and then to give the allies one more thing to think about. OFC it depends on the positioning of the allies but they cant position themselves against everything.

@Young:

@Dany:

Nice report!

It seems that u are positioned to attack Russia and then its is prolly wise to follow throw. Japan and Italy will help weaken their economy from the east and south and if you avoid to much trading with the Germans the AA guns should not cause you to much problem. Might wanna to get some extra art into the mix and use them for trading.

Also SZ 120 is not a convoy zone so you might want to send those subs somewhere else.

Good luck!

Thanks for pointing that out, I forgot that a sea zone actually needs the covoy symbol in order to be eligible for disruptions. :roll:

Germany is acually well positioned to attempt either sealion or barbarssa, but it is crucial that the decision be made immediately. I’m sure I will follow through with Russia and find a method of attack around those AA Guns. I guess I should be a little grateful for Russia spending on such a unit, especially if I use my entire air force against the British navy and start pounding out tanks against Russia. I still feel that the AA gun rule will eventually become a great Russian advantage.

Italy will have their way as they are making the same $ as London and there is nothing in there way. It’s their war to lose. Japan on the other hand will need to keep a close eye on Alaska as it is the only threatening operation the allies have going for them.

Thanks for the imput. Any other advice?

Its hard to say much when one cant see the board. How many trs does Italy have? How many does Japan have and where are they? Has the UK stacked Persia?

Nice report!

It seems that u are positioned to attack Russia and then its is prolly wise to follow throw. Japan and Italy will help weaken their economy from the east and south and if you avoid to much trading with the Germans the AA guns should not cause you to much problem. Might wanna to get some extra art into the mix and use them for trading.

Also SZ 120 is not a convoy zone so you might want to send those subs somewhere else.

Good luck!

I might have to think about the IC a bit. The problem is that without the IC i need to plan my builds a round extra ahead and that can also compromise my flexibility. I also like being able to spend german IPC:s in the med when i take so much IPC:s from them (Bulgaria, Greece and S France) and w Turkey gone that can be done. A minor in Greece might also be an option.

@Stalingradski:

Because you’re proposing to activate neutrals on I1, I’d give some thought to Turkey, and how the UK may be able to activate it on UK2. It would be a dangerous foe.

I really like your outside-the-box thinking.

I’ve attacked neutrals (specifically Spain and Turkey as the centerpiece) twice - once as the Allies, once as the Axis. As the Allies, I did it out of desperation in a losing game just to playtest, and found it to be quite fun and effective, though I lost. As the Axis, I used it as the coup de grace and my opponent gave up, as Turkey was a flanking maneuver to go south and kill Egypt. He saw the writing on the wall and surrendered.

I also had a Turn 3 Axis neutral crush used against me, to amazing effect. The only reason I won the game was dice. My opponent hasn’t used it since because he’s gunshy now. I plan on keeping it in my bag of tricks.

I’ll tell you what - Germany/Italy strongly rooted in Spain is a nightmare for the Allies. The trick for the Axis is keeping the edge on defense.

So Dany - a nice thought, and keep tweaking to bring the other neutrals into consideration.

Thx for the feedback. Turkey is the hard nut to crack, the Germans wont reach it until turn 3 (Bulgaria-Greece-Turkey). The UK:s options depends on what they did in UK1. If the inf in Jordan stayed put or walked south and if the TRS in the easten med went south or followed the rest of the fleet to Gibraltar the UK wont be able to activate Turkey before the Germans can hit them. If they went for an attack on Iraq turn one tho they can activate them in UK2 and maybe get the troops they need to hold it against the Germans in G3. If they do this tho i have a hard time seeing how they could hold on to Egypt and with the Japanese coming for India they wont be able to reinforce.

The French on the other hand can activate Turkey on F1 and get the inf out of there before the Germans get there. That could get very annoying and turn Egypt into a very hard nut to crack (or Iraq) as the Britts could prolly put up a minor once they see that no sea lion is coming.

I think a major in Romania would be a nice part of this strat as it could both be used to get inf to the eastern front and to get mecs and tanks into the middle east.

The UK fleet in the med in UK2 can either attack the Italian fleet (w not very good odds) or try and run and then get hit by the Italians in I2. In I2 they will collect 2 NA:s and can start moving units over to Africa. This combined with Germans coming into the mid-east via turkey will eventually make Italy a beast. Russia will prolly be quite strong at first but the combination a high german production of Italians from the south (with capability to attack from the Black sea) and Japans attacks via India should be able to break them.

A few times on these forums ive seen ppl say they where forced to take out the true neutrals as the axis but has any1 planned to do it as a part of their overall game plan?

Ive been thinking about it for a while and the changes to mongolia triggered me to make some sort of strat.

The overall plan is to hit UK hard in Europe in turn 1-3. Declare war with Japan J4 and go straight for India and evacuating China and Korea.

G1:
Build AC, and some sort of combo of trs and subs.

Hit Paris with all slow units close to it and 6 planes
Hit 110 with 2 subs and a 5 planes
Hit Canada fleet with 2 subs
Hit 112 with BB, CA and sub
Hit Normany with 3 mecs and 3 tanks
Hit Southern France with 1 mec and 2 tanks
Hit Yogo with tanks and units from S germany and Hungary
Activate Bulgaria both inf from Rum
Activate Finland

Some extra losses will probably occur but it puts one in a quite interesting possession.

What would the UK do? Most of the times in our games they gather their fleet outside Gibraltar, use one boat to hinder a German landing there and put 3 figs on the airbase to protect the fleet.

In I1 the Italians can then sail their fleet and attack the french fleet in the med while landing in Spain. (3 inf, 1 art, 1 tank (from n italy via s france), 2 figs and 1 bmb against 6 inf). In G2 the surviving tanks and mecs from normandy and s. france can then blitz to Gib with help of Luftvaffe, kill a good part of the RAF and looking the UK fleet in the med without a naval base. They can also use thier trs to take out Sweden and move down towards turkey via gre. Depending on the naval moves in uk1 the germans can even build an airbase in southern france on g2 and the italians can allready have landed there to protect their fleet.

There are lot of deviations that can be made after this depending on the overwhelming goal but i do find this opening kind of interesting.

but one more sub or plane in 111 would be very nice, taking a plane from one of the other attacks does not feel that great tho and i cant really skip any of the attacks, letting the fleet in 110 live might be an option as it frees upp alot of planes and subs to make other attacks such as the ca out of gib or the canadian fleet and prop up other attacks to minimize losses. the problem is that the uk can then combine this fleet with the med fleet and there the german fleet is then at risk. normandy can also be skipped but its nice to kill the extra fighter. depends on how risky one wants to be.

as you point out 111 is a weaker attack, the bb does not have a naval base tho so i think thats the way to go. UK will have at most 3 hits in the first round of combat so i even if it all goes to hell my bomber can retreat.

@Omega1759:

@Dany:

I think my G1 will hit france, normandy, 110, 111, 112 and a lone sub against the dd and trs on the Canadian coast.

That seems extremely risky. The naval battles take pretty much all the airpower you can get. How can you take both France and Normandy?

Don’t forget France has a AA that can serve as a casualty…

I think it would look something like this:

Normandy: 2 mec, 1 art, 1 tank, 1 fig (holland), 1 tac (wg), over 90 % attack
Paris: 7 inf, 2 art, 2 mec, 4 tnk, 1 tac (poland), over 80 % attack
112: bb, ca, 1 fig (hungary), almost 100 % to win
111: 2 subs, 1 fig (norway), 1 bmb (germany), 90 % to win
110: 2 subs, 2 fig (w ger), 3 tac (2 from w ger and 1 from germany), 100 % to win

France will not be a walkover but normandy and 112 should be np. 110 and 111 are 90-100 % if there is no scramble, if there is a scramble both attacks become rsiky but still wi bigge changes for the germans to win and bigger average loss for the UK, im happy to exchange german planes for RAF planes in the early game. If France does not fall the Italians can most likely clear it up and then its an entire different game but it does not mean the game is lost.