AA50 Tips & Tricks

Adlertag,  I’ll try your Red October and/or the Persian Plunge.  When I win I’ll tell them it was your idea.  If I could, I would give you karma.  Isn’t it the thought that counts?

@Adlertag:

must be something f¤#k1#% wrong with my PC, or this message board, since it freeze before I am finished typing. Butt OK, back to topic. As I said, always play aggressivly. Always attack if able. That is the only way to win. This is what I teach my students. You dont win if you are a laid-back retard. Dont mind the dice, this game is not about luck. Its like a fist-fight on your local pub. The aggressive guy always win, and the nice guy get knocked out because he dont punch back. This lesson dont come for free, so you better applaud me 3 times a day this week. My goal is to reach 800 + karmas.

@cannon:

Adlertag,  I’ll try your Red October and/or the Persian Plunge.  When I win I’ll tell them it was your idea.  If I could, I would give you karma.  Isn’t it the thought that counts?

Well, “thought’s” and “wish’es” dont put food on your table, now do it ? You are just a kid, right ? Ask your dad how he pays the bills. I guess it is by hard working. Now you start posting like 10 each day and you can start applauding me before Christmas. That is better than just “thought’s”.

Oh noooo, that aint my idea, it was my buddy Frog that first come up with that strats, man

@Adlertag:

must be something f¤#k1#% wrong with my PC, or this message board, since it freeze before I am finished typing. Butt OK, back to topic. As I said, always play aggressivly. Always attack if able. That is the only way to win. This is what I teach my students. You dont win if you are a laid-back retard. Dont mind the dice, this game is not about luck. Its like a fist-fight on your local pub. The aggressive guy always win, and the nice guy get knocked out because he dont punch back. This lesson dont come for free, so you better applaud me 3 times a day this week. My goal is to reach 800 + karmas.

I totally agree with this. I think it’s been tempting for the allies to ‘consolidate’ round 1. Get pieces in position to start attrition by round 2. But you have to take the initiative against the axis ASAP. The red october strat is something worth trying I guess. Just one question though - although 3 subs get their first shots - they are all at ‘1’. Surely the Italian fleet can absorb 1 hit (with the battleship) and then rolls two 3’s and a 4.

Thereby sending the Russian subs to the bottom?

If this is coupled with Germany hitting Egypt hard Rnd 1 and eliminating the UK forces there…

Of course I realise as I write this you would submerge subs as soon as the Italians attacked! However - even with three 2’s on the Russian counter attack (round 2) the Battleship could absorb 1 hit…

I see the red october presents a challenge to the Italians - but it maybe worth going the whole hog and buy 4 subs and 2 inf for Russia round 1… That would pin the Italians down for a turn…

Adler - do you play on the forums? Do you have any games (or know of any) where this tactic was used successfully?

The odds of the “Red October” strategy working (which i define as Russians sinking the Italian transport) breaks down as follows

1941
Russians with 3 subs - 15%
Russians with 4 subs - 42%

1941 (with 1st round Italian purchase of a destroyer)
Russians with 3 subs - 2%
Russians with 4 subs - 11%

1942
Russians with 3 subs & 1 fighter - 39%
Russians with 3 subs & 1 Bomber - 49%
Russians with 3 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 80%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 fighter - 70%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 Bomber - 78%
Russians with 4 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 94%
1942 (with German destroyer defending Italians or Italian 1st Round purchase of a destroyer)
Russians with 3 subs & 1 fighter - 13%
Russians with 3 subs & 1 Bomber - 17%
Russians with 3 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 49%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 fighter - 35%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 Bomber - 46%
Russians with 4 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 75%

1942 (with German destroyer defending Italians & Italian 1st round purchase of a destroyer)
Russians with 3 subs & 1 fighter - 3%
Russians with 3 subs & 1 Bomber - 4%
Russians with 3 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 23%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 fighter - 13%
Russians with 4 subs & 1 Bomber - 19%
Russians with 4 subs, 1 fighter, & 1 Bomber - 49%

To sum it up, the “Red October” strategy is only viable in 1942 and only if

1. Germany does not destroy the Russian fighter in Karilia during G1
2. Germany leaves it’s Mediterranean destroyer unguarded at the end of G1
3. The allies can successfully sink the unguarded German Destroyer during Round 1.
      3a) If the Russians attack it’s bomber cannot be destroyed.
4. The Russians build 4 Submarines R1 (We assume that the Italians will build a destroyer during I1. in response to the Russian Naval build)
5. Russians attack with 4 submarines, 1 fighter, & 1 bomber.

Chance of sucess if all these conditions are met: 75% with 2.41 Russian units left.

I’ll start working hard sir!!!

Who’s frog.

@Adlertag:

@cannon:

Adlertag,  I’ll try your Red October and/or the Persian Plunge.  When I win I’ll tell them it was your idea.  If I could, I would give you karma.  Isn’t it the thought that counts?

Well, “thought’s” and “wish’es” dont put food on your table, now do it ? You are just a kid, right ? Ask your dad how he pays the bills. I guess it is by hard working. Now you start posting like 10 each day and you can start applauding me before Christmas. That is better than just “thought’s”.

Oh noooo, that aint my idea, it was my buddy Frog that first come up with that strats, man

Excellent statistical breakdown! But it wasn’t required to tell Aldertag, that hia Russian Naval strategy was completely obtuse and ludicrous.

What a poor strategy to be the focua of attention in the “Tips and Tricks” thread.

I’d rather build an IC in Australia and spend all UK Ipc’s on Battleships. You are just as likely to suceed. Your goal obviously being, to see your opponents jaw drop and hit the floor, before they cackle in amusement at such a poor endeavour.

You didnt get the big picture, now did you ? AA&A is teamwork, and the russian subs dont need to kill the italian fleet just soft it up before the UK bomber come, and if the UK bomber miss, then the US bomber will follow up, man

Who is Frog ? Well Frog is my buddy.

You are forgetting that if any Italian navy survive it will be a battleship. 1 Bomber attacking 1 battleship only has 18% chance of sinking the battleship and only a 6% chance of survival. 2 bomber against a battleship have a 70% chance of destroying the battleship. 3 bombers have a 99% chance of destroying the battleship.  So by your line of thinking UK should be required to purchase at least one bomber in conjunction with the russian sub build in order to achieve near definite success.

@!ACHTUNG!:

Does anyone have any proven unorthodox strategies they want to share?

As Ameica:
If you have some US fleet thing going on in the South Pacific and Japan has all of her navy focused there to counter it:  Start saving as many IPC’s a turn that you can for as long as you think you can, build 1 or 2 inf on WUSA a turn (hopefully you ae doing this anyway), field a new navy with transports on the WUSA and bring it to the N. Pacific.  This can screw Japan royally.  This can rarely be done, but it is something to be aware of.

In 1941 if the UK are lucky enough to survive Germany’s Atlantic attacks with a transport - I would focus on Italy with the UK. Gibraltar is the allied key to the med. Reinforce it and fly your anti-shipping missions from it. With 1 inf, 1 tank, and 2 fighters it’s tempting for the Italians to attack - but will probably survive and will have brought their navy within Allied striking range.

In this situation - I can actually imagine 2/3 Russian subs being really useful.

How would the odds fall with 3 subs 1 bomber?

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

You are forgetting that if …… has 18% chance of sinking … only a 6% chance …have a 70% chance of destroying …So by your line of thinking …to achieve near definite success.

No sir, I aint forgetting that if. As a top ladder player, my line of thinking is, the Allies can afford poor battles in the first turns, because they have higher income than the Axis. Russia can afford losing 3 subs and a fighter and UK can afford losing two bombers in turn 1. Butt Italy can not afford losing the whole fleet in turn 1, because then Italy can never conquer Africa. Now if you play safe as the Allies and only take battles with 90 % chance of success, then you will for sure lose the game. AA50 is not like Classic. You just might be a good Axis player with your attitude, butt I guess you lose a lot of games as the Allies, now am I right ?

@Gargantua:

What a poor strategy to be the focus of attention in the “Tips and Tricks” thread.

Here we go, you just got yourself one more smite. My grand strategy this week will be to smite you tree times a day.

@bugoo:

How would the odds fall with 3 subs 1 bomber?

Now that was a depravity line of thinking. Imagine Eisenhower abort D-day 1944 because the odds was not good enough. We would all be speaking german now. If you want to win games, you need to strenghten your fighting spirit and breed more aggression. Peacekeepers dont win wars, you know that, now do you ? Butt enough talk. Now you better gimme a + karma and help me reach the magic 800 before Frog.

I rarely lose. Statistical games are won by consistently playing with the odds not against them. For the most part players should only participate in battles they can win not battles they will likely lose. Sure Italy will be crippled, but if Russia focuses on navy why hasn’t Germany mopped them up on land?

That being said, I’m not opposed to the 4 submarine attack, I simply feel that certain preconditions must be satisfied first before the battle is worth fighting. Those preconditions are likely to pop up every three or four games. So yes it it a viable strategy, just not viable in every game. As a matter of fact I generally (but not always) favor a NIF (Neutralize Italy First) approach and intend to try the 4 submarine attack combined with an US/UK strategic bombing campaign of Italy the next time the opportunity pops up. The only question in my mind is, will the focus on Italy lead to an unstoppable Germany? I will hold my final judgment till I try it out myself.

@Adlertag:

@Panzer:

Hi Aldertag, I am a little confused about this one as in 41 set-up Russia does not have any planes to start with I believe.  :?

You are correct as always. Russia dont start with fighters, so we need to gather some. Since a carrier cost 14 IPC and a fighter cost 10 IPC, at a total of 24 IPC, you just might cover it in your first purchase. But you still miss one fighter. So how about borrow one from UK ? Land the Egypt or Indian fighter on your russian carrier. I say, you do land your Indian fighter on the US carrier at Hawaii now and then, so why not try to land it on the russian carrier for a change ? Or UK get long range tech and fly a fighter from UK to the carrier. Or you play russia with a bid, just big enough to cover a carrier with two figs. There are so many ways. I bet you dont win many games, now do you ? I mean, with your attitude. Wow. People mail me every day, and ask, Adlertag please teach me how to win. And I tell them

I am not sure what attitude you are refering to as I simply wanted a little clarififcation on your interesting idea, and I did not think you would mind since you are suggesting it. No offense was meant.

Actually I rarely lose and have been playing Axis & Allies since the first one came out 25 years ago and do not need anyone’s help when it comes to kicking ass as the Axis or the Allies in any of the versions. I am actually a little older then you might think.

My trick is to always take out the enemy’s attack pieces wherever possible and always leave my attack pieces properly protected. I try to eliminate as many or all possible counter attacks so as to always control the play. That in combination with exchanging cheap pieces for expensive pieces always seems to lead to victory. That is my one trick that never fails.

I will try the 4 subs next time I play Russia and let you know how it goes.

I will send you a couple of + karmas when I get to 100 posts next week. :-D

@Adlertag:

@Panzer:

Does this strat diminish the Russian front against the Germans? Where they able to take advantage?

This game is all about balance. The Allied nr 1 priority is to sink the Italian fleet in order to protect the African income. It dont matter who sink this fleet, as long as it hit the bottom. Now if Russia sink it with cheap subs in turn 2, then UK will save the expensive bombers and use her resources to pressure Germany up north. So you see, the Huns are not able to take advantage of a Russian all naval build, because the brits will harass them.

+1 as promised.

tanks

+1 karma Adlertag and to everyone here, I’ll get you up to 800 by Christmas!  Think of it as my Christmas gift to you!

+1 to everyone 10/08/09

+1 to everyone 10/08/09

+1 to everyone 10/09/09

@Adlertag:

tanks

one more +1 to help your 800 quest. :-)