Presidential Election (as a current event- watch the tone or it's gone)

it is a flaw in him. he went to a church and thus associated with people that have raciest views. if you chose to go to a place and par take in that place’s activities then you associate with it. you may not agree with all that is said, but there is a good chance that a lot you do. when the place makes strong statments then it is easy to say how you would agree with them if you stayed.
lets say you go into a church to join and the preacher and congragation all seams good that day, then a month latter you hear a serman that says the problem with Amarica is that blacks are doing (insert statment). what would you do then? i would hope you would say something or go some place else. if you stayed but said something and it happens again then you should leave as now the church is acting in a way that you don’t agree with. but if you stay and there is no change and you sit back and enjoy then you are by not disagreeing with it saying “it’s ok to say that and i’m ok with being told that is how it is.”
look at it a diffrent way. your son goes to school and you meet the teacher. the teacher seams nice and all. a few weeks latter you see that same teacher well not at school standing at a war protest. nothing wrong with that, but then the spouce of that teacher (or boy friend/girlfriend) escalades the protest via violance. the teacher may not be particapating in said violance but the teacher also is not stopping there spouce. now you may agree with the teachers stance on the war (or not, it’s not relavent IMO), but the teacher did by asociating with the violance that came from it in effect condone the violance. now it could be a 1 time deal that the spouce got out of hand, but lets say you look into it and find that this spouce has a record of this well with the teacher. do you realy think the teacher is going to be the best influance on your son? the teacher may be good at there job, but you arn’t there to see all that the teacher says and dose all the time. who is to say the teacher isn’t telling your son that violance is ok to protest?
put that in context, the teacher is the same as Obama and we don’t know if he will take what he learned from from his preacher and take that into the presadencey and say “you know what the US did a lot of bad and so we realy deserved what we got, we shouldn’t be in Afganistan going after the Talaban, so lets pull out.” he won’t say we deserved it, but dosn’t mean he won’t think it… he did listen to his “spearital adviser” for 20 years tell him that the US is bad and that the US is trying still to kill blacks and do other bad things, after 20 years i’m pritty sure some of it stuck.

Obama’s lead over McCain has washed away, according to Zogby.  Looks like McCain could beat both Hillary and Barrack handily if the election were held tomorrow now.

On a side note, as many of you know, I attend at NIU, and NIU is in Hastert’s old district.  It was mentioned earlier that the Dems are going to keep Congress because Foster won in Hasterts district.

More information on the election (and I’m not an expert, but the papers have been going nuts over the results out here)

1)  Foster only one with a few hundred votes in the district.
2)  The percentage win falls within the margin of error for counting the votes
3)  Many of the traditional polling places were closed and many people who supported Oberweise were not informed where the alternative polling place was. (Foster made sure to send mailers to registered Democrats 2 weeks before, 1 week before and 2 days before telling them where their polling place was.  Oberweise dropped the ball and did not do that.)

Many analysts are saying that retribution in November will give Oberweise a very, VERY significant victory over Foster.  Even higher then the projections had given Oberweise before the election.  This is due in part to the traditional polling places being open in November and added too resentment that Foster won, topped off with how very slim Foster’s victory was.

So, with that said, it’s a poor template to use for November in determining which party will control Congress.  However, latest reports show that, since this time many more Democrats are up for re-election, and because 90% of the American population dis-approve of Congress and the job Congress has done since they took over in 2007 (can’t imagine why, after all, the DOW has fallen nearly 33% since they took over power) that Republicans will pick up enough seats to not only maintain the power to stop democrat legislation, but maybe enough to reclaim majority.

It won’t be a total land-slide.  There’s still an irrational hatred of George Bush and Republicans because of him.  However, as the Democrat debates keep going, and more and more mud is thrown from Obama on Hillary and Hillary on Obama - added to racist rantings of Obama supporters, republicans will benefit.

More news on Michigan as well.  It appears that Michigan will only hold a revote for those people who took a democrat ticket in the first vote.  Hillary is very opposed to this saying it will disenfranchise the thousands of voters who crossed the lines to nominate McCain and sabotage the Republican party.  Obama is very for this, obviously, since he was not on the ticket the first time out and because it will stop Republicans from returning the favor and electing Hillary to be the democrat nominee.

I think rules will be established that you will have to be registered in a party to vote in the primary and that you will not be able to register as another party, or register for a party at all within a certain time frame in the next primary season.  Democrats attempt to pull a fast one and get McCain nominated, succeeded, and then had it back fire with P/Oed Republicans returning the favor and pushing to keep Hillary in it. (And she’s not too proud to take our support either!  She’s all for the power, not for the good of the party - IMHO.)

Jermo,

This situation is a bit more serious than you want to accept.  And it is not JUST the things that his Pastor of 20 years and a member of his advisory committee has said.

Obama’s response to this has shown the lie to the perception of him being “above politics”, that he is a fresh, honest face that is uncorrupted by the usual political tactics and ways of doing things.

Friday he said that Reverend Wright NEVER said things like was aired when he was in the church.  In his speech yesterday he said that he DID hear those things.  Which is it Senator?  One of those statements is a lie…  politics as usual.

Last year during the Rutgers basketball team issue with that radio guy, Obama was interviewed and made lots of statements about “not associating” with people who have that type of view.  Yet for 20 years Obama has associated himself with Rev. Wright who has far more radical and bigoted views that have been repeated over and over for 2 decades as compared to one off-handed “nappy headed hoe” comment that got a talk show host canned… Which is it Barrack?  Do you or do you not associate yourself with bigots?  Or do you just have zero tolerance for non-black bigots?  One or the other, both cannot be true.

The point is (beyond the actual racial issues and the apparent propensities that Obama apparently supports) is that Obama has shown himself to be “just another politician” who lies, who misleads, and who says whatever he thinks people want to hear.

And the majority of his support was because that is NOT what he was supposed to be.

Make him “just another politician”, and there is nothing special about him, except his lack of experience and his skin color.

@Cmdr:

Obama’s lead over McCain has washed away, according to Zogby.  Looks like McCain could beat both Hillary and Barrack handily if the election were held tomorrow now.

The latest polling (cnn & Gallup) has Obama up by one against McCain. Those same polls also have Clinton up by 2 and 5 against McCain.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

1)  Foster only one with a few hundred votes in the district.
2)  The percentage win falls within the margin of error for counting the votes
3)  Many of the traditional polling places were closed and many people who supported Oberweise were not informed where the alternative polling place was. (Foster made sure to send mailers to registered Democrats 2 weeks before, 1 week before and 2 days before telling them where their polling place was.  Oberweise dropped the ball and did not do that.)

Where are you getting this? Foster won by by 6% and over 5000 votes.

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/elections/2008/by_county/IL_Page_0308.html?SITE=ILCHTELN&SECTION=POLITICS

Many analysts are saying that retribution in November will give Oberweise a very, VERY significant victory over Foster.

Whos saying that?

So, with that said, it’s a poor template to use for November in determining which party will control Congress.  However, latest reports show that, since this time many more Democrats are up for re-election, and because 90% of the American population dis-approve of Congress

Not true. Congress’s aprroval rate is 19%, NOT 10%. http://pollingreport.com/CongJob.htm

Also, people are even more disappointed with Republican Congressmen than Democrats:
http://pollingreport.com/cong_dem.htm   
http://pollingreport.com/cong_rep.htm

Republicans get 22% on Excellent/pretty good.
Democrats get 26%
I would love nothing more than to see a divided govt. (yay gridlock), but it aint gonna happen in Congress.

(can’t imagine why, after all, the DOW has fallen nearly 33% since they took over power)

Not true, as proven before. The Dow grew several thousand points from Jan 2007 (swearing in of Congress) to the beginning of the Bear market (Oct 2007). This is like blaming Bush for the Dow growing 2% a year since he took office. A ridicuous argument.

There’s still an irrational hatred of George Bush and Republicans because of him.

Its very rational, as Ron Paul would say. Balooning defeicits, expansion of govt., nation-building, invasion of privacy, Terry Schiavo. These are all things Bush campaigned AGAINST. I miss my old GOP. Now it looks a lot like a bunch of Neo-con Democrats.

However, as the Democrat debates keep going, and more and more mud is thrown from Obama on Hillary and Hillary on Obama - added to racist rantings of Obama supporters, republicans will benefit.

This is true.

Way to not read, Smacktard.

I didn’t say Congresses APPROVAL RATE was 10%.  I said over 90% of American voters were disapproved of the 110th Congress.

As for where I am getting my polling numbers, McCain vs Obama and Congressional Approval, etc, they come from Zogby.  Why you use biased sources like Real Clear Politics and other such places, I have no idea.

As for the 14th District Race in Illinois, you are absolutely correct EXCEPT after mail in votes are counted.  Mail in votes were decided NOT to be counted for the special election because it would take over a month to make sure they were all counted.  However, reports have it that AFTER they were counted (and it didn’t take a month, but I’m sure there’s some still lost in the postal system, that’s probably what they were worried about) his lead has severely dwindled.

Top that off with your inability to counter the other points I raised, and you can see why I say it is a BAD TEMPLATE to use to determine what will happen in November.

As for “who’s saying that Oberweise will trump Foster” in November, try EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN THE DISTRICT.  I mean you cannot find a single report in any paper or periodical in the area that says Foster even has a breath’s chance of success in November.  He won because he coordinated better for the special election, not because he had the most support.  As I said, there was great confusion on the election day because a very significant portion of polling places were closed on election day.  There were only a few places open and they were all in the town centers, not in the outer areas where most of the populace lives and works.  When Farmer Bill goes to the post office to vote, and the post office is closed, and he remembers he can ONLY vote at HIS polling place, what happens is he is disenfranchised.  That’s what happened in large numbers because most of the polling places were closed on election day.  The Court Houses of Sycamore, DeKalb, Genoa, etc were open but not the normal places.  Foster organized his followers in the cities to get them out, but Oberweise, not realizing the peril (since the polls had him with like a 30% lead on Foster) didn’t think to worry about it.

Hence, it’s a case of Dewey Wins and will be corrected in November.

DOW Jones before 110th Congress Passed most of their legislation:

14,000

DOW Jones AFTER 110th Congress began passing most legislation:

10,000

The facts are the facts, darlin.  I know they don’t fit into your perspective of the world, but that does not mean you can discount them.  Before they started passing legislation on the economy, the DOW was going up every quarter.  After, it dropped every quarter.  And you wonder why almost everyone in this country dislikes Congress and over 80% of us want to vote them the hell back out?

No, it’s an irrational hatred of Bush.  He could release information that he had personally found the cure to cancer and some would be lambasting him for not finding it 8 years ago.  It does not matter what he does or does not do, there is a large portion (mostly on the left) who hate him because he unseated the Democrats and continues to run rings around them in the political arena.  For a dunce, he sure is able to get the Democrats to dance to his tune a lot. (Which is not too hard, his tune is the same as theirs, at least on the domestic side.  Which is funny, so is McCain’s, which is why I call him Bush the Third.)

It appears Obama has become the candidate of race.  According to NBC News Chicago, most people polled today, who describe themselves as liberal, fall into race camps.  Blacks are going overwhelmingly for Obama.  Whites are going overwhelmingly for Clinton.  Admittedly, it’s a street corner poll and in Chicago only; but if that’s indicative of the nation, he has lost the candidacy election.  Why?  Almost all the super delegates are white.  If all the whites are going Clinton, then she’ll have more then the 2032 or whatever, she needs to win.

@Cmdr:

Way to not read, Smacktard.

I didn’t say Congresses APPROVAL RATE was 10%.  I said over 90% of American voters were disapproved of the 110th Congress.

If 19% APPROVE of Congress, than how can “over 90%” disapprove? What, do you think they polled 109% of the people?  :roll:

As for where I am getting my polling numbers, McCain vs Obama and Congressional Approval, etc, they come from Zogby.  Why you use biased sources like Real Clear Politics and other such places, I have no idea.

Um, Realclearpolitics HAS the poll your’re talking about. Its just not the most current. The most current polling has both Clinton and Obama over McCain. And how exactly is it biased? They carry articles form the New YorkTimes, Wall Street Journal, and every other national outlet. You cant just assert something and assume what you say is true.

As for the 14th District Race in Illinois, you are absolutely correct EXCEPT after mail in votes are counted.  Mail in votes were decided NOT to be counted for the special election because it would take over a month to make sure they were all counted.  However, reports have it that AFTER they were counted (and it didn’t take a month, but I’m sure there’s some still lost in the postal system, that’s probably what they were worried about) his lead has severely dwindled.

“Reports have it”? you have a source for this? I did a Google for “Oberweis disputes” and got nothing. If he thought there was fraud, he’d be disputing the results and screaming bloody murder.

Top that off with your inability to counter the other points I raised, and you can see why I say it is a BAD TEMPLATE to use to determine what will happen in November.

I never said it was a template at all. My point was that Foster wasnt expected to win AT ALL. Its certainly not good news for the Republicans that Oberweis lost.

As for “who’s saying that Oberweise will trump Foster” in November, try EVERYONE WHO LIVES IN THE DISTRICT.  I mean you cannot find a single report in any paper or periodical in the area that says Foster even has a breath’s chance of success in November.

Then I’m sure it will be easy to link some of those reports. Or does the internet not function where you live?

DOW Jones before 110th Congress Passed most of their legislation:

14,000

So that’s when Congress’s term starts? When they pass “most of their legislation”? How non-arbitrary  :roll:

DOW Jones AFTER 110th Congress began passing most legislation:

10,000

The DOW hasn’t been at 10,000 since 2005. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=DJIA&sid=1643&o_symb=DJIA&freq=2&time=12

The facts are the facts, darlin.  I know they don’t fit into your perspective of the world, but that does not mean you can discount them.

My “perspective of the world” consists of facts that are baked up by sources. Your M.O. seems to be: assert something and hope its true.

Before they started passing legislation on the economy, the DOW was going up every quarter.  After, it dropped every quarter.  And you wonder why almost everyone in this country dislikes Congress and over 80% of us want to vote them the hell back out?

As I showed before, Congress was passing legislation in Feb. And as I also showed, Republican congressmen are more disliked than there Democrta counterparts.

No, it’s an irrational hatred of Bush.  He could release information that he had personally found the cure to cancer and some would be lambasting him for not finding it 8 years ago.  It does not matter what he does or does not do, there is a large portion (mostly on the left) who hate him because he unseated the Democrats and continues to run rings around them in the political arena.

No, its because he abandonded the core principles of the Republican party.

Why?  Almost all the super delegates are white.  If all the whites are going Clinton, then she’ll have more then the 2032 or whatever, she needs to win.

The superdelegates are not going to go against Obama if he wins the popular vote and the most delegates. Theyre not gonna repeat 1968. You want to put some money on your racial argument?

@Smacktard:

My “perspective of the world” consists of facts that are baked up by sources.

You can say THAT again!

Anyway, I never said there was FRAUD.  I said that most of the polling places were CLOSED on the day of the special election and that the people were ill informed as to where the alternate polling places were.  That’s why Foster won.  It’s got nothing to do with fraud.  Just like his victory has nothing to do with all the absentee ballots that have come in since dropping his lead from 5k to a hundred plus change.

As for when Congress’s term starts and when Congress’s legislation begins taking effect, you obviously don’t know how it works.

So let me spell it out for you.

1)  Congressmen are elected in November.  I hope you are with me so far, we havn’t even gotten to the tricky part yet!

2)  Congressmen who are elected in November, take office in January.  (see, tricky huh?)

3)  In February/March they begin sitting down to write legislation.  Why?  Well, they need to get new carpet, drapes, move into their Washington DC Mansions, get settled, learn where the bathrooms are, etc.  Takes time.

4)  In April/May their legislation starts getting voted (and presumably passed).  Gotta get all your blue blood democrats back off the golf courses, hun.  Takes time!  Things don’t just get voted on the same day you write it!

5)  June/July your legislation that is passed begins to be enforced.

Funny, June/July is also about the same time as the DOW Jones Crash, the Housing Market Crash and all the other Financial woes we are experiencing.  Gee, interesting how that correlates, isn’t it?  I can’t imagine WHY I think the 110th Congress maybe had a lot to do with the crashes in the markets.

Anyway, 19% approve of THE JOB CONGRESS IS DOING.  90%+ DISAPPROVE OF CONGRESS.  Congress does NOT mean the JOB Congressmen are doing.

Funny too, that’s about 50% as good as President Bush’s JOB RATING and about 20% as good as President Bush’s PERSONAL rating.

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

McCain: 47%
Obama: 43%

vs

McCain: 48%
Clinton: 45%

One day earlier:

McCain: 46%
Obama: 44%

vs

McCain: 46%
Clinton: 46%

Looks like Hillary has a much better shot at beating George III (aka John McCain) then Barrack.

Foster:

“The best way to establish a long-term career in Congress is to do a good job from Day One,” Foster told The Associated Press in a phone interview while en route to a restaurant to thank voters. “I am going to have to accomplish a lot in a very short time to retain my seat.”

“I find myself in the almost embarrassing position of tending to agree with Bill on some of his comments there.” - Jim Oberweise

Since he’ll only have a few short months to accomplish anything, it would take a miracle for him to retain his seat.  Even he knows he won by a fluke, which is why he’s saying he’ll have to hit the floor running, because if he so much as sits down, he’ll find himself back in the lab working on physics equations before the dust even settles on his moving boxes.

Bear in mind, polls taken the Monday AFTER the election showed Jim having a 57% approval rating vs Bill’s 39%.  That means that most of the people wanted Oberweise, but, do to voting irregularities (caused by confusion, not fraud) Bill somehow managed to get enough votes (barely) to win.

And that, my dear, means he cannot do ANYTHING he planned on doing, he’s going to have to do EXACTLY what his district wants until the General Election to even have a dream of keeping his seat come November.  And that means doing EXACTLY what Oberweise would do.

So yes, he won the popular vote, but his grasp on the seat is as tenuous as the Cubs winning the World Series 3 years in a row.

Anyway, I never said there was FRAUD.  I said that most of the polling places were CLOSED on the day of the special election and that the people were ill informed as to where the alternate polling places were.  That’s why Foster won.  It’s got nothing to do with fraud.  Just like his victory has nothing to do with all the absentee ballots that have come in since dropping his lead from 5k to a hundred plus change.

Source for this story? A Google of “absentee AND foster” doesnt turn up anything. The only thing verifiable so far is the AP story where he won by 6% with 5000+ votes.

As for when Congress’s term starts and when Congress’s legislation begins taking effect, you obviously don’t know how it works.

So let me spell it out for you.

1)  Congressmen are elected in November.  I hope you are with me so far, we havn’t even gotten to the tricky part yet!

I’m glad you see this now. Eariler, you stated that Foster had to give up his seat in Novmeber: @Cmdr:

However, he does not get to keep that seat.  He only gets to have it for a few months and then loses it in November.

2)  Congressmen who are elected in November, take office in January.  (see, tricky huh?)

This was very tricky for you (see the Foster comment).

3)  In February/March they begin sitting down to write legislation.  Why?  Well, they need to get new carpet, drapes, move into their Washington DC Mansions, get settled, learn where the bathrooms are, etc.  Takes time.

4)  In April/May their legislation starts getting voted (and presumably passed).  Gotta get all your blue blood democrats back off the golf courses, hun.  Takes time!  Things don’t just get voted on the same day you write it!

Funny, because the minimum wage hike was passed by the House in Jan and the Senate in Feb. 2007 http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/1/votes/18/

The Fiscal Responsibility Act passed the House Jan 26th, 1995
The Taking Back our Streets Act passed Feb 14, 1995
The National Security Restoration Act passed Feb 16, 1995.

5)  June/July your legislation that is passed begins to be enforced.

Except when its passed in Jan or Feb.  :roll:

Funny, June/July is also about the same time as the DOW Jones Crash

No it’s not. Oct. was the start of the Bear market. From June-July, the market was over 13,000. http://bigcharts.marketwatch.com/quickchart/quickchart.asp?symb=DJIA&sid=1643

I dont see what the difficulty is here. This is the 3rd time ive posted this. The DOW timeline is very easy to read.

the Housing Market Crash and all the other Financial woes we are experiencing.

The Housing bubble began in 2001. Home prices started falling in 2006, and in Aug. 2007 foreclosures began to soar. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_housing_bubble
Both your timing and cause-and-effect are off. What, exactly, did you want Congress to do about the sub-prime lending that went on for 4 years that led to the crisis? If anything, the Fed is to blame for creating too much liquidity in the market with interest rate manipulation, and the banks are to blame for making bad loans.

Gee, interesting how that correlates, isn’t it?

Not really, consdiering your facts are all over the place.

I can’t imagine WHY I think the 110th Congress maybe had a lot to do with the crashes in the markets.

I can’t either. Maybe you’ll change your mind now?

Anyway, 19% approve of THE JOB CONGRESS IS DOING.  90%+ DISAPPROVE OF CONGRESS.  Congress does NOT mean the JOB Congressmen are doing.

I hope you have a poll handy for your 90% disapproval rating because I’m going to call bullshit here. Congress’s (dis)appproval is always measured in how people view the job Congress is doing. If you have a poll, I’ll happily retract what I just said.

Funny too, that’s about 50% as good as President Bush’s JOB RATING and about 20% as good as President Bush’s PERSONAL rating.

So you think the institution of Congress has a “personal rating”? Its a group of people, not A person. And Bush’s Job approval has been in the low 30’s for over a year now. http://pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm

@Cmdr:

http://www.pollingreport.com/wh08gen.htm

McCain: 47%
Obama: 43%

vs

McCain: 48%
Clinton: 45%

One day earlier:

McCain: 46%
Obama: 44%

vs

McCain: 46%
Clinton: 46%

Looks like Hillary has a much better shot at beating George III (aka John McCain) then Barrack.

Except that poll is out of date. http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html
The latest polling has McCain losing to Obama and Hillary. The two polls youve cited (Gallup, Zogby) come BEFORE Cnns latest poll.

And how does Hillary’s 1-2 point advantage turn into “a much better shot”?

Since he’ll only have a few short months to accomplish anything, it would take a miracle for him to retain his seat.

I’ll take it at 5-1 odds (which I beleive are less than “miraculous”). So you give me $50 if Foster wins and I give you $10 if he loses. Since you believe it “would take a miracle”, I’m sure you would be happy with those odds. Do we have a bet?

Latest poll has Obama up by 5 over Mccain and Clinton up by 2
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

These hypothetical matchiup polls are always in flux, esp. when one party has a candidate and the other doesnt.

@ncscswitch:

Jermo,

This situation is a bit more serious than you want to accept.  And it is not JUST the things that his Pastor of 20 years and a member of his advisory committee has said.

Obama’s response to this has shown the lie to the perception of him being “above politics”, that he is a fresh, honest face that is uncorrupted by the usual political tactics and ways of doing things.

Friday he said that Reverend Wright NEVER said things like was aired when he was in the church.  In his speech yesterday he said that he DID hear those things.  Which is it Senator?  One of those statements is a lie…  politics as usual.

Last year during the Rutgers basketball team issue with that radio guy, Obama was interviewed and made lots of statements about “not associating” with people who have that type of view.  Yet for 20 years Obama has associated himself with Rev. Wright who has far more radical and bigoted views that have been repeated over and over for 2 decades as compared to one off-handed “nappy headed hoe” comment that got a talk show host canned… Which is it Barrack?  Do you or do you not associate yourself with bigots?  Or do you just have zero tolerance for non-black bigots?  One or the other, both cannot be true.

The point is (beyond the actual racial issues and the apparent propensities that Obama apparently supports) is that Obama has shown himself to be “just another politician” who lies, who misleads, and who says whatever he thinks people want to hear.

And the majority of his support was because that is NOT what he was supposed to be.

Make him “just another politician”, and there is nothing special about him, except his lack of experience and his skin color.

Nope, it’s still not a big deal.  We aren’t putting the pastor up for election, it’s Obama.  And every single politician and person in this world has been caught in a lie.  If this is it for him, that’s damn good.  People are all over this stupid thing, but don’t give two shits the current President not telling the truth?  This is amplified more than it should be because it is the only thing out there that could be dirt on Obama.

To put it another way, I don’t see anyone railing on Hillary for Bill’s infidelity.  Same difference.

And I happen to think that pastor has a point.  May not be saying it the best way, but in many ways he’s right.  Go ahead and give me bad karma instead of debating me though, whoever you are.  I just don’t believe a spiritual advisor would concern what he says on whitey with a guy who has a white mother.  Obama is wiser than that.

dude the cbs one today has McCain winning over both.  at thats the one CNN used.

i’ll bet you that if i flip to any other channels, they’ll have him winning also.

51%-41%  and 49%-42% respectively.  against both.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

and realclearpolitics isnt lefty is it?  nooooo……  you gotta use something better.  this is the only poll i’ve seen today that says McCain is still down.  dont dilute yourself.

@Smacktard:

Latest poll has Obama up by 5 over Mccain and Clinton up by 2
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

These hypothetical matchiup polls are always in flux, esp. when one party has a candidate and the other doesnt.

You’re smoking stuff.

Poll from TODAY on your favorite site (Realclearpolitics) has McCain over Obama by 3 points and yesterday by 5 points.

minimum wage hike was passed by the House in Jan and the Senate in Feb. 2007 http://projects.washingtonpost.com/congress/110/house/1/votes/18/

The Fiscal Responsibility Act passed the House Jan 26th, 1995
The Taking Back our Streets Act passed Feb 14, 1995
The National Security Restoration Act passed Feb 16, 1995.

Thank you for taking the bait!  I knew if I just slightly messed up dates enough, you’d EVENTUALLY STEP RIGHT INTO IT!  You ADMIT that the crashes in the DOW and the Housing Market and the insane gas prices are 100% Congress’s fault!

Ha!  “You gotta love it when a plan comes together!” (Hannibal Smith.)

Got you HOOK, LINE and SINKER!  You’ve been claiming it wasn’t Congress’s fault, it was the Republicans fault, but then, you had to do your own research proving beyond a doubt that it WAS the Democrat’s fault!  They passed the legislation and thus it was THEIR FAULT!

Thank you.

As for Foster and the absentees, that’s your own fault.  If you cannot figure out what newspapers are printed in the region, and thus only go to national sites that have no interest in a very short term election, then I pitty your lack of ingenuity.

Especially after I posted the newspaper names and issues and volume numbers a few times in a few different threads.  Sorry, but corn country does not usually invest in Internet printing.  But I’m sure you can find SOME of them if you just put your mind too it.  (Or elect some twit to have the government do it for you.)

Either way, Oberweise AND Foster both agree that Foster won in a miracle of special election magic and that his chances in November - short of a democrat miracle - are barely 1 in 4.  Current polls (from WEDNESDAY in the local paper (Mid-Week Report)) show that 79% of the registered voters (from the total population via telephone polling) show that Oberweise is the preferred candidate in November.

In fact, the turn out for the special election barely broke 30% of registered voters in the district.  Probably because a lot of people didn’t know where to vote when their voting place was closed.

It’s not fraud.  But it’s not exactly representative of how the district actually feels nor is it a good template to use in the nationals.

Look, I KNOW you are praying that the Democrats get a stronger majority in the house and senate and get the White House.  But the fact is, if the elections were held today, McCain would beat BOTH Hillary and Barrack by a pretty sound margin and that the Republicans would regain control of the House and Senate with slim majorities in each.

Sorry that troubles you, but facts are facts.  The PEOPLE know that the 110th Congress has been a royal screw up.  90%+ of the people are unhappy with the PERSONS in Congress and 80%+ are unhappy with the INSTITUTION of Congress compared to 60% approval ratings of Bush as a PERSON and 40% approval ratings of Bush as a President.

The only poll showing Obama leading McCain is CNN.

Fox has McCain by 1%
Reuters has McCain by 6%
Zogby has McCain by 6%
Gallup has McCain by 4%
Rasmussen has McCain by 7%

Information from realclearpolitics - which is a source you claim to approve of. Smacky.

Jermo:

Yes it IS a big deal.  He ran Don Imus out of not saying anything nearly as bad as his pastor has been filling Obama’s head with for 20 years.

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama is even slightly as racist as this pastor, then he has no place being the head of the nation.

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama is the candidate of change then how is he different then every other candidate when he lies consistently until caught and then and only then, starts to tell the truth?

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama transcends color and race, then how can he do so when he’s so mired in race politics?

Remember, the ONLY things he had going for him was that he wasn’t like Hillary and established as a career politician and that he spoke of hope and change for America.

However, his supporters and role models (pastors are role models, I don’t care if you don’t believe in religion, they are.  Teachers can be, but you don’t chose your teacher.  You chose your pastor!  And don’t say it was his only option, he’s a fracking Senator and there was another church one more block away then this one.) are racist hate-mongers.  That’s not change.  That’s been the cooks of that party for over a decade now.  All they’ve done is seethe with hatred about the impeachment of Clinton, the valid election of Bush, the defeat of Kerry, and the victory we’ve been seeing in Iraq.

In other words, hatred is becoming the mantra of the democrat movement, despite the resistance by the more down to earth members of the party.  Obama represents that hatred now.  He may or may not want too. (I lean more to thinking he does want too, otherwise he would have denounced the pastor as a racist and especially would have moved to a different church 19 years ago) But that’s what he is a symbol of now.

Furthermore, now he’s sounding defeated in interviews.  Saying he’s bruised by this and calling for the party to come together “who ever wins.”  He’s agreed to the TENN Governor’s suggestion of having a Super Delegate Primary, even though Howard Dean and Hillary Clinton have both said no. (Dean is in charge, so if he says no, it won’t happen.)  That pretty much sums up the situation for him right there.

Top it off with other statements recently about how he isn’t too disappointed with being back in second place because he never thought the black candidate would beat Hillary and you have even more reason to suspect his internals are showing him going down in flames come convention day.

Which, honestly, I think is a GOOD thing.  McCain, as liberal as he is, at least does not attend churches that are lead by the African-American equivalent of the leader of the KKK.

I also think it is a GOOD thing because McCain’s flat out fired people for daring to make negative statements about Obama or his policies and has sworn to not say anything negative about him in the General Election should he get the Democrat Nomination.  Why do you think Republicans are working so hard to get Hillary Nominated!?!  The longer she stays in this, the more of this type of information will get out (from Hillary’s camp in attempts to win.)  The more that gets out, the better the Republicans look for Congress and Senate in November.

We have to reclaim control and get some strong conservatives back in office.  Conservatives that will repeal the regressive taxes levied on the American people by the 110th Congress.  Conservatives that will loosen the reigns on small and medium businesses so they can hire more Americans and get money moving again.  Conservatives that will enforce immigration policies and support the decision of the Supreme Court that cities cannot ban firearms (or that’s what we expect the decision to be, now that they have determined that the 2nd amendment applies to people, not states.)

@Cmdr:

Jermo:

Yes it IS a big deal.  He ran Don Imus out of not saying anything nearly as bad as his pastor has been filling Obama’s head with for 20 years.

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama is even slightly as racist as this pastor, then he has no place being the head of the nation.

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama is the candidate of change then how is he different then every other candidate when he lies consistently until caught and then and only then, starts to tell the truth?

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama transcends color and race, then how can he do so when he’s so mired in race politics?

Then you are talking about the wrong guy.  That’s the point.

@Jermofoot:

@Cmdr:

Jermo:

Yes it IS a big deal.  He ran Don Imus out of not saying anything nearly as bad as his pastor has been filling Obama’s head with for 20 years.

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama is even slightly as racist as this pastor, then he has no place being the head of the nation.

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama is the candidate of change then how is he different then every other candidate when he lies consistently until caught and then and only then, starts to tell the truth?

Yes it IS a big deal, if Obama transcends color and race, then how can he do so when he’s so mired in race politics?

Then you are talking about the wrong guy.  That’s the point.

Unfortunately, you are not correct.  You are known by the company you keep.  If Obama has spent 20 years listening to racists and hanging out with racists and appointing racists to be his mentors and role models then he’s probably a racist too.  Just because he can gag his own racist tendencies and pretend to be normal for a short period of time won’t change that.

Not saying he IS a racist, but his friends sure seem to be some of the most radical racists in the country lately.

After all, do you REALLY think you’d have this same stance if John McCain’s pastor was the Right Reverend Strom Thurmond, ex-leader and sheet wearing member of the Klu Klux Klan?  Even if it was only for a week, you better believe this would be front page news for years until McCain was run out of the country!

That’s basically, what we have here.  Only, instead of a white supremacist leader we have a black supremacist leader.  However, hatred and racism is hatred and racism no matter what clothing you put on it, a white collar or a white sheet.  And I don’t want members of racist and hate mongering organizations to be the leader of my nation.

I am increasing my forecast…

Clinton by 15% in Pennsylvania…

North Carolina is in play (and was 10% in Obama’s column 2 weeks ago…)

Americans are SICK of racial BS.  And Obama’s pastor… the man who has guided Obama’s spiritual development for 20 years, is espousing religion supported racism.  That won;t work any better for Obama than it did for David Duke in Louisiana in the early 1990’s when he ran for Governor there.

Could be why Barack-O is really pouring it on here in PA Switch. Actually both The Barracks and Cellery were here recently. But I’ve heard quite a few Barack-O spots on the local radio. And just today I was on our local papers website and The Barracks banner ads filled the page. Other than the appearance in Harrisburg haven’t heard diddley squat out of the Cellery camp.

Maybe she too thinks they have PA wrapped up and is putting resources into other places. And maybe she’s wrong about that. You know how it goes… out of sight out of mind. She’s about due for another teary media “outpouring” too. Although I’m sure neither will pony up for the local tv spots until a week or so before (since we all know tv caters to the attention span of a gnat.) ~ZP

@balungaloaf:

dude the cbs one today has McCain winning over both.  at thats the one CNN used.

i’ll bet you that if i flip to any other channels, they’ll have him winning also.

51%-41%  and 49%-42% respectively.  against both.

http://www.rasmussenreports.com/

Balung, thats ONE polling organization. Realcelearpolitics samples all the latest polling. They even have the Rasmussen one youre talking about (7th poll down) http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

and realclearpolitics isnt lefty is it?  nooooo……  you gotta use something better.  this is the only poll i’ve seen today that says McCain is still down.  dont dilute yourself.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2008/president/national.html

Balung, do you see how Fox has the top poll now? That would be kind of strange for a lefty organization. McCain leads Obama by 1 and Clinton leads McCain by 3. Also, if you look at the linked opinion pieces for today, you see:
an article from The Economist
article from Fox News
article from Forbes
Article from Wall Street Journal
http://www.realclearpolitics.com/

The WSJ one, as usual, is very interestring.