@DoManMacgee said in TGC (German) vs. Doman (Allies) Original Europe:
@The_Good_Captain Wrong thread, although I can’t say I wouldn’t rather be on that board than this one right now.
thanks but G3 is posted above it
VF (Germany) vs. Ragnell (Allies) | Original Europe with TGC balance, Game 8
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subs [dice 2d6<=2]
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2d6<=2: 5, 4; Hits: 0
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 artilleries, 2 destroyers and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 bomber and 1 fighter moved from United States to Davis Strait Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in Davis Strait Sea Zone British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Germans defend with 3 submarines Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans and Americans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Non Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Davis Strait Sea Zone: 1 destroyer EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 bomber moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to Iceland Place Units - Americans 2 destroyers and 1 transport placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 2 artilleries placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : 0.33 Germans regular : 0.00 -
I am a bit confused how you calculate the net German pieces. Do you just look at Units Left If Att/Def Won and always look at it from the attacker’s perspective? Do you look at Average Units Left if the attacker retreated after X rounds of combat? Do you look at it from both perspectives in those cases or only from the attacker’s one?
Anyway here is what I calculated for G1 and Allied1
After G1
Atlantic/Med: +2.68
Eastern Front: -4.08
Total: -1.4After Allied1
EF:- 4.67
Altantic/Med: 1.07
Total: -3.60Do you get the same results when you calculate it? (I set the run count to only 5000 so I will have some decimals off here and there)
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But anyways if those numbers are correct than this G1 was worse than I thought. If this game is balanced right now then the odds on Moscow should be below 50%, but I don’t feel that way. I think it will be slightly above just by looking at the TUV difference after G1 (which is my method of guessing the final odds on Moscow).
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TripleA Turn Summary: Germans round 2
TripleA Turn Summary for game: Europe Improved
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 14 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Finland to Karelia 2 fighters moved from Finland to Karelia 1 submarine moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone Germans take U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone from Americans 1 battleship and 1 destroyer moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 2 infantry moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. 3 fighters moved from Rumania to Ukraine S.S.R. Combat - Germans Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 bomber in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 1 bomber and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in Karelia Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,17 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Karelia 2 fighters owned by the Germans retreated Russians win with 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans attack with 3 fighters and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1,83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Germans win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Russians with 3 fighters and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship and 1 destroyer British defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 destroyer in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1,17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 transport in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,17 expected hits 1 transport owned by the British lost in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship and 1 destroyer remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for British: 1 transport Non Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Gibraltar to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Hungary to Bessarabia 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 2 armour moved from Northern Italy to Hungary 3 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 3 armour moved from East Poland to Hungary 2 armour moved from Poland to Hungary 1 armour moved from Baltic States to Hungary 2 armour moved from Germany to Hungary 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Poland to East Poland 20 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 3 fighters moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Germany 1 transport moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Baltic Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Baltic Sea Sea Zone to Poland 2 fighters moved from Karelia to Finland 1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Germany 2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Southern Italy 1 aaGun moved from Austria to Germany Place Units - Germans 14 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 43 PUs; end with 44 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 0,33 Germans regular : 0,50 British regular : -1,17 -
@VictoryFirst
yeah youre on the right track. I align the battle calculator to what actually happened. So if someone fought two rounds on the east front and retreated, I set the calc to a two round strafe and in that case compare average pieces left over for both sides.In a battle that is 92% attacker win and the attacker wins, I go off average attacker pieces left.
In a battle that is 92% and the attacker loses, I go off average pieces left over for both sides.
I’ll make a short video critique of this first turn and demonstrate how I do the calculations at the same time if I can find some time tomorrow.
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 7 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 bomber moved from Belorussia to Ukraine S.S.R. 2 infantry moved from Leningrad to Baltic States 1 fighter moved from Leningrad to Baltic States 1 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Ukraine S.S.R. Combat - Russians Battle in Ukraine S.S.R. Russians attack with 1 bomber and 3 infantry Germans defend with 2 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 3 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 2/4 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 2 infantry in Ukraine S.S.R., round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Ukraine S.S.R. 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Ukraine S.S.R. Russians win, taking Ukraine S.S.R. from Germans with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Battle in Baltic States Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 3 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States Russians win, taking Baltic States from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia 1 bomber moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Leningrad 13 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 2 armour moved from Belorussia to Leningrad 1 artillery moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 1 aaGun moved from Russia to Moscow 1 submarine moved from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone to Danish Sea Sea Zone 1 transport moved from North Atlantic Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone Place Units - Russians 7 infantry placed in Leningrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 23 PUs; end with 24 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.33 Russians regular : 0.17 -
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - British British buy 2 transports; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Syria to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone British take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from Germans 1 destroyer moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Halifax Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from United Kingdom to Celtic Sea Sea Zone Combat - British Battle in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone British attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Germans defend with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport British roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 3/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the Germans and 1 transport owned by the Germans lost in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone British roll dice for 1 bomber in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 battleship in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 bomber owned by the British lost in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 battleship owned by the Germans lost in Sicilian Sea Sea Zone Germans win with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for British: 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 1 fighter Casualties for Germans: 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone British attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters Germans defend with 1 submarine British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 fighters in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone British win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - British 2 fighters moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Place Units - British 1 transport placed in Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 transport placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Tunisia from Germans to British EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Caucasus: 2 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Iran: 1 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Syria: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - British British collect 22 PUs; end with 23 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 1.67 British regular : 2.17 -
Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 destroyer, 4 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone British take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from Germans 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to South Atlantic Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Morocco Americans take Morocco from Germans Combat - Americans Battle in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone Americans attack with 1 bomber and 1 destroyer Germans defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 destroyer in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the Americans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone Americans win with 1 bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Americans: 1 destroyer Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from U.S. Convoy 2 Sea Zone to United Kingdom 1 fighter moved from Iceland to United Kingdom 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from United States to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 artillery, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 1 destroyer and 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 4 infantry placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 35 PUs; end with 35 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.17 Germans regular : 0.67
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