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Kwas (Axis) V. Ragnell (Allies) Europe - The ??? - Game 7
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Russians buy 4 inf in Lenin
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I am going 4 inf in Leningrad
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 12 infantry and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 submarine moved from Halifax Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 4 Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Denmark Strait Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Mid-Atlantic Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Azores Sea Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone Germans take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from British 1 submarine moved from British Convoy 3 Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from South Atlantic Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Bay of Biscay Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone 2 submarines moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Barents Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to English Channel Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Northern Italy to English Channel Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Poland to North Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Norway to North Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from France to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from Germany to North Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Germany to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport moved from Tyrrhenian Sea Sea Zone to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Combat - Germans Battle in North Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 fighters, 3 submarines and 1 transport British defend with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the British Germans roll dice for 3 fighters and 1 transport in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in North Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits 1 transport owned by the Germans lost in North Sea Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the British lost in North Sea Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in North Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 3 fighters in North Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits British roll dice for 1 battleship and 1 destroyer in North Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits 2 submarines owned by the Germans lost in North Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British and 1 battleship owned by the British lost in North Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 3 fighters and 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20 Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines and 1 transport Casualties for British: 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport Battle in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 1 transport Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 transport owned by the British lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 3 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 2 submarines in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 4 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone Germans win with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 1 transport Casualties for Germans: 2 submarines Battle in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 3 submarines British defend with 1 destroyer and 2 transports Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 fighter in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer and 2 transports in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits 2 transports owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans roll dice for 3 submarines in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Celtic Sea Sea Zone, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Germans win with 1 bomber, 1 fighter and 2 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 20 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer and 2 transports Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Battle in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 2 infantry and 1 transport British defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.17 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone Germans win with 1 battleship, 1 destroyer and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Battle in English Channel Sea Zone Germans attack with 2 fighters and 1 submarine British defend with 1 destroyer Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in English Channel Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 destroyer in English Channel Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in English Channel Sea Zone 1 destroyer owned by the British lost in English Channel Sea Zone Germans win with 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 1 destroyer Non Combat Move - Germans 2 infantry moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Algeria 1 infantry moved from Morocco to Algeria 1 artillery moved from Tunisia to Algeria 1 infantry moved from Tunisia to Algeria 1 armour moved from Tunisia to Algeria 2 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Rumania 2 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Rumania 3 infantry moved from Hungary to Rumania 1 armour moved from Hungary to Rumania 1 artillery moved from Hungary to Rumania 2 armour moved from Germany to Hungary 2 armour moved from Northern Italy to Hungary 1 infantry moved from Austria to Hungary 1 infantry moved from Czechoslovakia to Hungary 2 infantry moved from Poland to Hungary 1 artillery moved from Czechoslovakia to Hungary 1 artillery moved from Austria to Hungary 2 armour moved from Poland to Hungary 2 armour moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Poland 4 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 2 artilleries moved from Germany to Poland 2 infantry moved from Finland to Norway 2 fighters moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Norway 1 fighter moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Norway 1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Austria 2 infantry moved from Southern Italy to Northern Italy 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Greece to Yugoslavia 1 artillery moved from Northern Italy to Yugoslavia 4 infantry moved from Eastern France to Germany 3 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 1 artillery moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium 2 armour moved from France to Germany 1 infantry moved from Denmark to Germany 2 fighters moved from English Channel Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 1 fighter moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Netherlands-Belgium 4 infantry moved from France to Netherlands-Belgium 1 bomber moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to Germany Place Units - Germans 12 infantry placed in Germany 2 submarines placed in Danish Sea Sea Zone Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : 0.67 British regular : 0.50
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Vyborg to Finland 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland 1 bomber moved from Moscow to Finland Combat - Russians Battle in Finland Russians attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland Russians win, taking Finland from Germans with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Russia: 4 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 6 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 2 infantry moved from Baltic States to Belorussia 3 infantry moved from East Poland to Belorussia 1 armour and 1 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine S.S.R. 1 armour, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia 3 infantry moved from Caucasus to Stalingrad 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Belorussia 1 armour moved from Siberia to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Archangel to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Turkestan to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Moscow to Leningrad 1 armour moved from Caucasus to Belorussia 3 infantry moved from Turkestan to Belorussia 4 infantry moved from Moscow to Belorussia 1 fighter moved from Moscow to Belorussia 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Siberia to Russia 3 infantry moved from Archangel to Karelia 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Leningrad 1 submarine moved from White Sea Sea Zone to North Atlantic Sea Zone 1 transport moved from White Sea Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from Finland to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Iran to Caucasus Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Leningrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 25 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.33 Russians regular : 0.00
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from North Atlantic Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to North Atlantic Sea Zone: 1 transport EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode British buy 2 destroyers; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 armour moved from Egypt to Libya British take Libya from Germans 1 armour moved from Libya to Egypt Combat - British Non Combat Move - British 1 armour moved from Canada to United States 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad 1 fighter moved from Malta to Syria 1 infantry moved from Syria to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Palestine to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Iraq to Syria Place Units - British 2 destroyers placed in Davis Strait Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 16 PUs; end with 17 PUs
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Game History
Round: 1 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 2 destroyers and 2 submarines; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 destroyer and 1 transport moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from United States to Davis Strait Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from United States to Davis Strait Sea Zone Combat - Americans Battle in Davis Strait Sea Zone British loiter and taunt; Americans attack with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport Germans defend with 1 submarine Americans roll dice for 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 submarine in Davis Strait Sea Zone, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 submarine owned by the Germans lost in Davis Strait Sea Zone Americans win with 1 bomber, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Non Combat Move - Americans 1 fighter moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to United States 1 aaGun moved from United States to Canada 1 bomber moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 2 destroyers and 2 submarines placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 40 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Americans regular : -0.67 Germans regular : -0.33
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[dice 3d6<3]
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3d6<3: 6, 4, 1; Hits: 1
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Germans Germans buy 10 infantry and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 1 infantry moved from Poland to Baltic States 1 bomber moved from Germany to Baltic States 2 infantry moved from Norway to Finland 1 fighter moved from Norway to North Atlantic Sea Zone 2 fighters moved from Norway to Finland 1 infantry moved from Algeria to Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone 1 battleship, 1 destroyer, 1 infantry and 1 transport moved from Strait of Gibraltar Sea Zone to Sicilian Sea Sea Zone 1 infantry moved from Sicilian Sea Sea Zone to Malta Germans take Malta from British 1 armour, 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Algeria to Tunisia 1 submarine moved from North Sea Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone 1 submarine moved from Danish Sea Sea Zone to Norwegian Sea Sea Zone Combat - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Russians from Norwegian Sea Sea Zone: 1 submarine EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in Norwegian Sea Sea Zone Germans attack with 3 submarines Battle in North Atlantic Sea Zone Germans attack with 1 fighter Russians defend with 1 transport Germans roll dice for 1 fighter in North Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 transport in North Atlantic Sea Zone, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits 1 fighter owned by the Germans lost in North Atlantic Sea Zone 1 transport owned by the Russians lost in North Atlantic Sea Zone Russians winGermans win with 3 submarines remaining with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -4 Casualties for Germans: 1 fighter Casualties for Russians: 1 transport Battle in Finland Germans attack with 2 fighters and 2 infantry Russians defend with 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 fighters and 2 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland 2 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Finland Germans win, taking Finland from Russians with 2 fighters and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 infantry Battle in Baltic States Germans attack with 1 bomber and 1 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry Germans roll dice for 1 bomber and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 0.83 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Baltic States Germans win, taking Baltic States from Russians with 1 bomber and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Germans 1 bomber moved from Baltic States to Germany 2 fighters moved from Finland to Norway 2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy 12 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 8 infantry moved from Germany to Poland 2 infantry moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 1 artillery moved from Netherlands-Belgium to Germany 2 armour, 1 artillery and 10 infantry moved from Rumania to Hungary 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Rumania 2 artilleries moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 1 infantry moved from Yugoslavia to Hungary 2 armour moved from Germany to Hungary 1 aaGun moved from Austria to Hungary 3 infantry moved from Poland to Hungary 1 infantry moved from Poland to Hungary 2 infantry moved from Poland to Hungary 2 armour moved from Poland to Hungary 1 infantry moved from Poland to Hungary 2 submarines moved from Celtic Sea Sea Zone to English Channel Sea Zone Place Units - Germans 1 submarine placed in Danish Sea Sea Zone 10 infantry placed in Germany Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 40 PUs; end with 42 PUs Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 0.83 Germans regular : 2.33
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Russians Russians buy 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland 2 infantry moved from Belorussia to Baltic States 1 fighter moved from Belorussia to Baltic States 1 bomber moved from Belorussia to Finland Combat - Russians Battle in Finland Russians attack with 1 bomber and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 bomber and 2 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Finland, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Finland Russians win, taking Finland from Germans with 1 bomber and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Battle in Baltic States Russians attack with 1 fighter and 2 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 fighter and 2 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 0.83 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Baltic States Russians win, taking Baltic States from Germans with 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - Russians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Leningrad: 1 fighter EDIT: Adding units owned by Russians to Leningrad: 1 fighter EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Ukraine S.S.R. to Belorussia 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Ukraine S.S.R. 3 infantry moved from Stalingrad to Belorussia 4 armour and 9 infantry moved from Leningrad to Belorussia 1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Leningrad 1 bomber moved from Finland to Belorussia 3 infantry moved from Russia to Karelia 1 artillery moved from Russia to Belorussia 6 armour moved from Belorussia to Leningrad 1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Russia 1 aaGun moved from Moscow to Belorussia Place Units - Russians 8 infantry placed in Leningrad Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 25 PUs; end with 26 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.67 Russians regular : 0.17
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - British British buy 1 destroyer; Remaining resources: 5 PUs; Combat Move - British 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to British Convoy 4 Sea Zone British take British Convoy 4 Sea Zone from Germans 1 infantry moved from Syria to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 artillery moved from Egypt to Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Crete 1 fighter moved from Syria to Crete Combat - British Battle in Crete British attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry British roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Crete, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Crete, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Crete British win, taking Crete from Germans with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Non Combat Move - British 1 fighter moved from Crete to Syria 1 destroyer moved from Eastern Mediterranean Sea Zone to Central Mediterranean Sea Zone 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Belorussia 1 fighter moved from United Kingdom to Leningrad 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone Place Units - British 1 destroyer placed in Celtic Sea Sea Zone Turn Complete - British British collect 21 PUs; end with 26 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -0.33 British regular : -0.17
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Game History
Round: 2 Purchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 2 transports; Remaining resources: 6 PUs; Combat Move - Americans 1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to British Convoy 3 Sea Zone British take British Convoy 3 Sea Zone from Germans 1 bomber moved from United Kingdom to Germany Combat - Americans Strategic bombing raid in Germany Germans roll AA dice in Germany : 0/1 hits, 0.17 expected hits Bombing raid in Germany rolls: 1 and costs: 1 PU. Bombing raid costs 1 PU Non Combat Move - Americans 1 bomber moved from Germany to United Kingdom 2 destroyers and 1 submarine moved from U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 destroyer moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to Celtic Sea Sea Zone 1 transport moved from Davis Strait Sea Zone to U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 fighter moved from United States to United Kingdom Place Units - Americans 2 transports placed in U.S. Eastern Coast Sea Zone 1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in United States Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 40 PUs; end with 46 PUs
Combat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans AA : -0.17
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3d6<3: 6, 3, 6; Hits: 0
3d6<4: 3, 3, 2; Hits: 3
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submerge sub?
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Sub fights to the death
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1d6<=2: 2; Hits: 1
5d6<=3: 6, 1, 6, 1, 3; Hits: 3