@dawgoneit max in sz24 - and if theres any left to sz7
TOB (CP) vs. SBY (Entente) 1914 TGC Balance
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@Tamer-of-Beasts My opinion of what happened over there and its result is that this is a consequence of the early collapse of Russia and an example of a domino affect. The CP made such early and such short work of Russia that they just hit the gas pedal and kept going.
Still, this situation was almost entirely avoided by the Entente. The UK turn 4 attack into seva should have cleared the territory 2/3 of the time. In this case the Entente failed to clear it by a single, critical piece. This allowed so many options for the CP instead of ending the crisis for the Entente. If the Entente had cleared the territory, it would have either forced uphill attacks by the CP or forced them to do something other than simply stack up in a contested Seva. I don’t think the dice were critical but I do feel like I see a consistent “leaning” towards the CP in this area of the board (including the aforementioned fight in Seva) which doesn’t help Entente given everything else.
So in short, I believe that a Russia that lasts longer (even just a turn longer) and takes more out of the CP will keep this from becoming an opportunity for the CP going forward. Even one more turn probably would have prevented this from happening.
Seva is one of my favorite flashpoints on the board though. Well played ToB. You definitely leaned into some of the early advantages that appeared for the CP and it all worked out.
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@The_Good_Captain As always, I appreciate the expertise and encouragement.
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Game History
Round: 19 Puchase Units - French French buy 3 fighters; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - French Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Burgundy to Paris Combat - French French creates battle in territory Karelia Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by French from Karelia: 5 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in Karelia French attack with 1 port Germans defend with 4 infantry; AustroHungarians defend with 1 infantry Battle in Paris French attack with 8 artilleries, 1 factory and 82 infantry Germans defend with 18 artilleries, 3 fighters, 28 infantry and 10 tanks French roll dice for 8 artilleries and 82 infantry in Paris, round 2 : 37/90 hits, 32.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 18 artilleries, 3 fighters, 28 infantry and 10 tanks in Paris, round 2 : 31/59 hits, 28.67 expected hits 31 infantry owned by the French lost in Paris 10 artilleries owned by the Germans and 27 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Paris Germans and French reach a stalemate Germans win with 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 28 Casualties for French: 31 infantry Casualties for Germans: 10 artilleries and 27 infantry Combat Move - French Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by French to Karelia: 5 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - French 3 fighters placed in Paris Turn Complete - French French collect 11 PUs; end with 11 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : 4.33 Germans regular : 2.33 -
Oh beep, I totally forgot to attack Yorkshire as the British. If you’re okay with it, I’ll do the fight with the dicebots here:
5 British infantry: [dice 5d6]
2 German infantry: [dice 2d6] -
5d6: 3, 2, 1, 3, 5
2d6: 2, 4 -
The British clear the territory, 1 British infantry is lost.
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Game History
Round: 19 Puchase Units - British British buy 3 battleships; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 8 units repaired. Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Changing ownership of Burgundy from French to Germans EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 battleship moved from SZ 8 to SZ 9 2 infantry moved from India to Persia Combat - British Battle in SZ 9 British attack with 1 battleship and 1 mines Germans defend with 1 transport 1 transport owned by the Germans lost in SZ 9 British win with 1 battleship remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 1 transport Battle in Persia British attack with 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 8 tanks Germans defend with 3 infantry; AustroHungarians defend with 5 infantry; Ottomans defend with 4 artilleries and 9 infantry British roll dice for 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 5 infantry and 8 tanks in Persia, round 2 : 9/19 hits, 8.33 expected hits Ottomans roll dice for 4 artilleries and 17 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 11/21 hits, 10.50 expected hits Units damaged: 8 tanks owned by the British 3 infantry owned by the British lost in Persia 5 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians, 1 infantry owned by the Ottomans and 3 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Persia Ottomans and British reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 18 Casualties for British: 3 infantry Casualties for Germans: 3 infantry Casualties for AustroHungarians: 5 infantry Casualties for Ottomans: 1 infantry Combat Move - British Place Units - British 3 battleships placed in SZ 9 Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from London: 5 infantry EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Yorkshire: 2 infantry EDIT: Changing ownership of Yorkshire from Germans to British EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Yorkshire: 4 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turn Complete - British British collect 36 PUs; end with 36 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Ottomans regular : 0.50 British regular : 0.67 -
UK Turn 19 Complete 1914 Game 22.tsvg
Once again, sorry about the Yorkshire thing.
@The_Good_Captain Thank you for your help. This wasn’t really brought up in your videos.
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@SuperbattleshipYamato No worries. As stated earlier in the game, we’re here to have fun, not be rule nazis.
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@SuperbattleshipYamato Game History
Round: 19 Puchase Units - Ottomans Ottomans buy 1 artillery and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Ottomans 4 infantry moved from Mesopotamia to Persia 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Ankara to Mesopotamia 1 infantry moved from Constantinople to Smyrna 5 infantry moved from Constantinople to Ankara Combat - Ottomans Battle in Persia Ottomans attack with 4 artilleries and 12 infantry British defend with 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 8 tanks Ottomans roll dice for 4 artilleries and 12 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 6/16 hits, 6.67 expected hits British roll dice for 4 artilleries, 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 8 tanks in Persia, round 2 : 4/16 hits, 5.67 expected hits 4 infantry owned by the Ottomans lost in Persia 4 artilleries owned by the British, 1 infantry owned by the British and 1 fighter owned by the British lost in Persia British and Ottomans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 13 Casualties for Ottomans: 4 infantry Casualties for British: 4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 1 infantry Combat Move - Ottomans Place Units - Ottomans 1 artillery and 6 infantry placed in Constantinople Turn Complete - Ottomans Ottomans collect 20 PUs; end with 20 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Ottomans regular : -0.67 British regular : -1.67 -
Game History
Round: 19 Combat Move - Italians 1 cruiser moved from SZ 7 to SZ 9 Combat Move - Italians Turn Complete - ItaliansCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Game History
Round: 19 Puchase Units - Americans Americans buy 1 battleship; Remaining resources: 8 PUs; Combat Move - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Americans from Egypt: 2 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 6 infantry moved from Canada to SZ 2 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from SZ 2 to SZ 8 6 infantry moved from United States of America to SZ 1 6 infantry and 3 transports moved from SZ 1 to SZ 7 6 infantry moved from SZ 7 to Ireland 6 infantry moved from SZ 8 to Brest French take Brest from Germans 1 battleship and 3 transports moved from SZ 16 to SZ 2 1 infantry moved from United States of America to Canada 1 transport moved from SZ 2 to SZ 1 1 cruiser moved from SZ 8 to SZ 9 1 infantry moved from Canada to SZ 2 1 infantry moved from SZ 2 to Canada 1 transport moved from SZ 1 to SZ 13 1 transport moved from SZ 13 to SZ 1 Combat - Americans Combat Move - Americans Place Units - Americans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Americans to Egypt: 2 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 battleship placed in SZ 1 Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 20 PUs; end with 28 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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US Turn 19 Complete 1914 Game 22.tsvg
Yay! A naval war! My kind of fighting. Sure wish it started 10 rounds earlier…
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@SuperbattleshipYamato said in [TOB (CP) vs. SBY (Entente) 1914 TGC Balance]
@The_Good_Captain Thank you for your help. This wasn’t really brought up in your videos.
Well, this particular result is, in my opinion, a “knock on” or “domino” affect from Russia falling so early at the very least. At the end of the Russia video, I say that this power is not long for the world and has somewhere between 5-8 turns to affect the CP. For Russia to punch out on turn 4 is to also fall outside the purview of the videos and create rare opportunities/problems that are better left for the individual player to solve. My intent with the videos is to cover baseline or something close to baseline strategy.
Another example: There are probably knock on affects if a CP player decides to never build aircraft but the intent of the videos is to cover best practices and baseline strategies so I don’t examine that possibility.
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Thank you for clarifying.
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@The_Good_Captain You mean your videos don’t cover every possible scenario we could encounter!? I’m shocked and devastated. :p
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@SuperbattleshipYamato Game History
Round: 20 Puchase Units - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians buy 1 artillery, 2 battleships and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - AustroHungarians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by French from SZ 16: 1 mines EDIT: Removing units owned by Italians from SZ 17: 1 mines EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to SZ 17: 1 mines EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to SZ 16: 1 mines EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 artillery and 5 infantry moved from Trieste to SZ 18 1 artillery, 5 infantry and 3 transports moved from SZ 18 to SZ 17 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from SZ 17 to Egypt 2 infantry moved from SZ 17 to Egypt 2 battleships and 1 submarine moved from SZ 18 to SZ 16 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 21 infantry moved from Marseilles to Bordeaux 7 artilleries, 1 fighter and 18 infantry moved from Piedmont to Burgundy 1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from Venice to Piedmont 2 artilleries, 3 infantry and 6 tanks moved from Tuscany to Piedmont 2 artilleries and 3 infantry moved from Naples to Tuscany 10 infantry moved from Sevastopol to Persia 6 infantry moved from Ukraine to Sevastopol 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Livonia 1 artillery and 9 infantry moved from Galicia to Ukraine 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Vienna to Trieste Combat - AustroHungarians Battle in Persia AustroHungarians attack with 10 infantry; Ottomans loiter and taunt British defend with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 8 tanks AustroHungarians roll dice for 10 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 1/10 hits, 3.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 8 tanks in Persia, round 2 : 1/10 hits, 2.17 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Persia 1 tank owned by the British lost in Persia British and AustroHungarians reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 tank Battle in Egypt AustroHungarians attack with 1 artillery and 5 infantry British defend with 1 infantry; Americans defend with 2 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 1 artillery and 5 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 2.33 expected hits British roll dice for 3 infantry in Egypt, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Egypt 2 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Egypt British and AustroHungarians reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry Combat Move - AustroHungarians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by AustroHungarians from Livonia: 3 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to Karelia: 3 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - AustroHungarians 1 artillery and 9 infantry placed in Vienna 2 battleships placed in SZ 18 Turn Complete - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians collect 55 PUs; end with 55 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
AustroHungarians regular : -2.67 British regular : -0.67Game History
Round: 20 Puchase Units - Germans Germans buy 4 battleships and 1 submarine; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 12 units repaired. 4 infantry moved from Sevastopol to Persia 5 infantry moved from Ukraine to Sevastopol 5 infantry moved from Poland to Ukraine 11 infantry moved from Picardy to Brest 2 artilleries and 10 infantry moved from Belgium to Picardy 8 artilleries, 3 fighters, 1 infantry and 10 tanks moved from Paris to Picardy 9 infantry moved from Ruhr to Belgium 2 artilleries and 2 infantry moved from Kiel to Ruhr 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Berlin to Kiel 2 infantry moved from Silesia to Galicia 4 infantry moved from Karelia to Moscow Combat - Germans Battle in Brest Germans attack with 11 infantry French defend with 1 port; Americans defend with 6 infantry Germans roll dice for 11 infantry in Brest, round 2 : 4/11 hits, 3.67 expected hits French roll dice for 6 infantry in Brest, round 2 : 2/6 hits, 3.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Brest 4 infantry owned by the Americans lost in Brest French and Germans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Americans: 4 infantry Battle in Persia Germans attack with 4 infantry; AustroHungarians loiter and taunt; Ottomans loiter and taunt British defend with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 7 tanks Germans roll dice for 4 infantry in Persia, round 2 : 1/4 hits, 1.33 expected hits British roll dice for 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 7 tanks in Persia, round 2 : 2/9 hits, 2.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Persia 1 tank owned by the British lost in Persia British and Germans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for British: 1 tank Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Burgundy: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Paris: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - Germans 4 battleships and 1 submarine placed in SZ 10 Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 54 PUs; end with 56 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : -1.00 Germans regular : 0.00 British regular : 0.00Hey, boats are fun! Especially if they mean you stop putting units in India. :)G 20.tsvg
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Game History
Round: 20 Puchase Units - French French buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat - French French creates battle in territory Karelia French creates battle in territory Paris Battle in Karelia French attack with 5 infantry Germans defend with 1 port; AustroHungarians defend with 3 infantry French roll dice for 5 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 1.67 expected hits AustroHungarians roll dice for 3 infantry in Karelia, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the French lost in Karelia 3 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Karelia French win with 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6 Casualties for French: 1 infantry Casualties for AustroHungarians: 3 infantry Battle in Paris French attack with 8 artilleries, 1 factory, 3 fighters and 51 infantry Germans defend with 1 infantry French roll dice for 8 artilleries, 3 fighters and 51 infantry in Paris, round 2 : 26/62 hits, 24.67 expected hits Germans roll dice for 1 infantry in Paris, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans lost in Paris French win with 8 artilleries, 3 fighters and 51 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Combat Move - French Place Units - French 3 infantry placed in Paris Turn Complete - French French collect 19 PUs; end with 21 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
French regular : 2.67 Germans regular : -0.50 AustroHungarians regular : -0.50 -
Game History
Round: 20 Puchase Units - British British buy 3 battleships; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - British 6 units repaired. Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by British from Egypt: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 transport moved from SZ 6 to SZ 9 4 infantry moved from Yorkshire to London 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 6 tanks moved from Persia to India Combat Move - British Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Egypt: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - British 3 battleships placed in SZ 9 Turn Complete - British British collect 34 PUs; end with 34 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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