Violating Neutrality

Turkey is the bizamm.  I violate it ecvery game on teh first turn with an ARM.  The arm can take two British territories resulting in a 4 point flip on round two.  It can then threaten an unoccupied Russian teritory.  Meet up with a German landing force into russian territory.  Or double back  into Africa.  England will be hard pressed to spare even a single infantry from teh battle with Japan, and there is no way Russia can afford to send unit down.  Also the TP move blociks off the British sub retreat north, and the TP will not be targetted by any ruusian with any sense.  Turkey is KEY.

A;so to jump ion on the Japan debate.  Whether to take New Zealand and Australia really depends on how GErmany is doing in Africa.  In general you want teh UK to be at 20 IPC.  You really need to go no lower.  I am assuming here that the UK player bought an IC in INdia first turn supported by a U.S. IC in SINkiang.  20 prevents a 4 INF, 2ARM buy.  ANy less than twenty isn’t all that worth while.  The idea is simply to cut off their tank supply in India so they can no longer counter attacj the Japanese so that the Japanese can take Sinkiang.

That isn’t to say that well timed bombimg run when they are at twenty wouldn’t do allot of good right before the Japanese roll into India.  The Brits will be put in the poistion of abandoning pressure in Europe for a turn to fortify a possibly lost cause or to abandon an IC.  Tough descision.

@ncscswitch:

I DID say it was cost-prohibitive :-P

Although, against a non-master class opponent, the Brazil strike can be VERY beneficial.

Also, it does not take 6 moves, even starting from Japan.  2 moves take Panama.  Then sail through, grab West Indies on turn 3, Brazil on 4.

Or, from New Zealand only 2 more to Brazil, then one to land in western Africa…

I think you’re math is a bit off.  Japan to Hawaii is move one.  Hawaii to Argentina with invasion is move two.  Argentina back to Hawaii is move 3.  Hawaii back to Japan is move 4.

That’s an opportunity cost of 8 infantry you could have moved into Asia for the loss of 3 IPCs invading Argentina and the gain of 3 IPCs a turn until recaptured for Brazil.

Now, I do agree that in a game with lesser experienced players, I’ll go for options like this.  1)  It shows them what can be done.  2)  It’s more dynamic then going with a “tight” game.  3)  I get bored if the game goes too easy.  4)  They never play me again if I truelly whollop them hard!

I stand corrected, you are right, SUD.  You could purchase a replacement transport to soak up the loss of moving one to Argentina.  I just normally like to keep efficient and only have the number of transports I need to do the job without extras if I can avoid it.

Then again, in classic, you could very well need that extra transport once you exceed maximum capacity. (Not as much of a threat in revised since Japan will rarely need more then 4 transports to move 100% of it’s builds from the island to the mainland, in my limited experience.)

Brazil is merely a nuissance move, nothing more.  For this reason an analysis of it based upon economics is not really worthwhile.  If for example the Japanese lost 2inf and a transport in exchange for just 1US infantry but it did something to the US gameplan then this would be worthwhile.  So to me the question is how do you make Brazil as much of a wash as you can, and I still come back to columbia and armor in Panama.  Yes the US will lose an arm probably but the cost is still good for the US and more importantly this is a reactive move so that when Japan invades Argentina the US invades Columbia, and if Japan pulls back you can go from Panama back to the WUS.

Yes, but if America ignores Brazil because it is cost prohibitive to them, at that moment (as in they need the cash to reinforce Europe nad can’t afford Brazil atm) you could make some serious cash off it.  3 rounds = 9 IPC gain for Japan with the effect of 18 IPC gain for the Axis. (9 lost IPCs to the allies, 9 gained for the Axis.)

Which is why I said the means to cover that is to put 2arm in Panama, and violate Columbia when Japan moves to Argentina.  This way Japan will not make any money off Brazil.

Jen,. forget violating neutrals in the Brazil strike.

Go via Panama (grabbing Hawaii, Panama and West Indies along the way).
Or take the Southern route and grab Australia, New Zealand and then Brazil.

Either way, you are there in fewer than 6 moves.  You start the move in J2, once you have TRNs to spare.  Around J5 you are in Brazil and J6 you are landing in Western Africa.

Unless the Allies move to stop you… which is fewer forces against Germany (ALWAYS a good thing when playing the Axis :-) )

That might work, Switch, if you bring a sizable fleet with you.  At least you could use your fleet against the Britianican (UK/USA) fleet and help keep them off Germany for a few rounds.

It can work without ANY fleet.

With a major fleet so far from home, you invite being wiped out with little gain.

Actually, I’d just hit the American fleet in it’s infancy (at least knock out that BB) and then return to Japan with the remnants.  After all, you don’t actually need 1 AC and 2 BBs for Japan once you’ve decimated the American navy.  You might even want to consider sacrificing the ships against the British fleet and follow it up with a luftwaffe attack to resink the British fleet.

Japan’s in the best position to rebuild a navy anyway.  It’ll take America 3 rounds to attack her by sea. (1 round to build, 2 rounds to move) and there’s no way they’re going to do it in two rounds anyway, since they absolutely must build enough to take Japan and, as Japan, you’ll have plenty of time to put a few subs in the water to stop that.

So basically, the choice is, retreat into the Pac to support it and stop America from thinking about it or follow through after Pearl and try and hit the British fleet once.

It’s almost a non-issue if you play 2H BBs since you’ll get 4 BB shots at the british fleet, more then enough to cripple it.  It’s a bigger question when you have to wonder if the Brits/Americans will sink them with their fighters before you get there.

Well Jennifer, you get to test your theory out against the maddog. It’s japans turn. What will you do? I’ll let you in on a military secret. I have no ambition whatsoever to send US resources to play with the jap navy. What I will do is gang up on the germans with a vengeance untill the germans cry for their mommy. What would you propose to do about that hypothetical situation? That would make them jap bb’s about worthless wouldn’t it?

The U.S. need not take Japan.  All they have to do is take the islands.  This created a large swing.  If the Japanese want to take them back they either have to split their navy or vacate the Japanese SZ.  If they vacate the Japanese SZ, they have lost their ability to transport infantry to the mainland and the Allies I.C. should finish off the Japanese.  The U.S. really only need 2-3 Subs, 1FIG, 1AC, 1BB, and 1 TP to cause serious problems for the Japanese in the Pacific.  The subs can often split off form the main fleet as Japan can rarely spare the sorties to try and sink them and doing so requires fully manning their AC which pulls FIGS from the mainland…

One question- while the U.S. is farting around in the pacific taking islands, where’s the pressure on germany??

The pressure in Germany comes form the fact the Russians alocate few or no resources at Japan.  The Brits man two TP.  The U.S. has multiple Tp in the Atlantic.  I don’t get your point.  You act as if the U.S. doesn’t buy 3 TP on turn 1 in the Atlantic on turn 1 they apply no pressure on Germany which is bunk.  Your first Tp are going to land in Africa nayways.  U1 1 TP lands.  U2 1TP lands.  U3 2 Tp lands.  u4 3TP lands.  At any point here you can combo your TPs also.  I don’t think investing 26 I.P.C. to completely neuter Japan is farting around.  While the U.S. is “farting aorund” the Japanes can’t land forces where they need to.  They have to devote TP’s to possible casualties meaning they can’t function at full capacity, etc.  I wouldn’t call keeping Russia’s rear secure “farting around”.  I wouldn’t call causing a 12-14 point IPC swing “farting around” …while keeping British held territories secure.  Can the Japanese move their ships west to attack inida and go into Africa and the middle east while there is a U.S. fleet?..no.  Can they swing down to hit Australia and NZ anytime they want?.. no

I still think it’s farting around  :-D

@MADDOGG:

I still think it’s farting around  :-D

HAHAHA.  Touchee.

Wanna play me and test them goofy theories out?? TOUCHEE!  GOTCHA

@MADDOGG:

Wanna play me and test them goofy theories out?? TOUCHEE!  GOTCHA

Wanna drive out to the middle of nowhere?  Touchee! :)