@TheDude-0 Thanks for excellent reply. Noted and agreed on all points.
🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting
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@Imperious-Leader said in 🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting:
@djensen Hilarious!
Can we see a picture?
No, it’s embarrassing. :wink:
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@djensen said in 🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting:
I just want to be able to let people know the only reason they won is because I got diced. I’m in this game right now that I’ll probably have to abandon because the dice are terrible.
Yeah, it’s annoying that you can’t see the final state of the board when the game ends, or you might be able to figure it out when things like that happen. I just abandoned a game where I failed to take Ukraine R1 (although to be fair, that battle is hardly a 100% lock) and I always wonder what the opponent thinks when the game just ends before they even get a turn.
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I added some updates to the first post of the conversation. Please take a look.
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BTW how many games in total have you played?
How do you print parts of the game screen?
I need to learn that and some sticky needs to have a basic training on posting whatever…a primer of sorts
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Just got beat up by the dice big time and repeatedly. 6 fighters hitting 5 time 3 rolls in a row. It’s just not fun. I know part of the issue is playing more games, I’m going to see more outcomes and a bunch of those are going to be displeasing. But regardless of the randomness, one big battle with really bad rolls makes me want to quit all my games so …
I’ve quit all my current games and not playing for a while.
Dave Jensen, Founder of Axis & Allies .org
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Oh dont do that. I had a recent sea battle sending 4 fighters, 1 bomber and 2 subs against 2 destroyers, 1 battleship, 1 sub and all my units whiffed and he hit 3 times ( sub submerged). Second round i whiffed and he hit again 3 times. Since i knew it was BS because of the dice algorithm, i expected results like that.
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@djensen The game is unplayable
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@Brian-Cannon said in 🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting:
@djensen The game is unplayable
Personally, I wouldn’t take it that far. There is a lot that is wonderful about 1942 Online. But for whatever reason I get dice fatigue faster on this platform.
My dice fatigue rankings:
- 1942 Online
- TripleA
- Tournament games at GenCon
- Practice for tournament games
I think that 1942 Online being the top is a backhanded compliment. From one perspective, it works so well that it’s easy to play a lot and quickly burn out.
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@djensen said in 🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting:
I’ve quit all my current games and not playing for a while.
Which does not mean I’ve quit completely. I’ll be back. I just want to play some other games for a while; preferably without dice. Well, maybe Catan but I do get some dice fatigue on that one too.
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@Imperious-Leader said in 🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting:
Since i knew it was BS because of the dice algorithm
I’m still not convinced there is something wrong with the algorithm. There’s certainly the anecdotal perception of something wrong.
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I don’t have “dice fatigue” and my constant bickering about 42 online dice DO HAVE A VALID COMPONENT to the types of results of which i have never seen in any other game that requires dice. There is a “tit for tat” response in the kinds of results in battles. I just live with it if i want to continue to enjoy 1942. I think 42.2 is the best AA game around unless you want a long game ( 1940).
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@Imperious-Leader said in 🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting:
which i have never seen in any other game that requires dice
I understand but it’s still anecdotal unless you start recording hundreds of thousands of dice rolls in ll of your games; not just the bad ones.
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“Tit for Tat” isn’t bad dice rolls, its a tendency that the defender will hit if you hit and miss if you miss. I am close to 200 games for 42 online and it never wavered in my observation of these results. I do get bad dice at times, but the average results i observe is this tendency.
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I play Axis almost exclusively, just a preference. I don’t know about scripted, but any game I have started in last couple weeks see a completely successful Russia turn 1. Both attacks are favored to succeed but what I find incredible is that not only do they succeed but German forces inflict almost nothing for defensive hits. Meanwhile I cant do an amphibious assault on Trans Jordan without taking a casualty if I take it at all on the ensuing amphibious assault. The miss rate on on units that require a 4 or less (Fighters, Tanks, Cruisers, Bombers, and battleships) is troubling, while infantry and artillery in defense incur casualties at an alarming rate. When was the last time you say Infantry and artillery paired on offense every equal the hit rate of say the same number of defending infantry. Both require a 2 but infantry and artillery on offense never exceeds expectations an almost always falls well below average. As Axis the only Strategic bombing is really done by Japan, the hit rate on AA defense is well beyond what would normally be expected, for every 4 bombing runs I am averaging 3 bombers shot down (multiple games). The miss rate on Shore bombardment is worse, and I cant remember when I have hit a territory with AA guns that they didnt hit at least once. If you add screenshots, you are accused of cherry picking. I cannot remember an attack I have made where my units exceeded expectations, if anything it will always be less than what calculator predicted. Like Djensen I just mass forfeited 4 different games. I just dont see a point in playing this game in its current state.
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@Brian-Cannon I just made an attack on Transjordan, 4 infantry, 1 tank, 2 fighters, 1 artillery and a battleship vs. 2 infantry, 1 tank, 1 arty and 3 fighters. Offensive rolls everything missed, defensive rolls everything hit. Game over. Also, I have noted the terrible hit rate of tanks or anything requiring a 3 on offense, anyone else noticed the tremendous hit rate of tanks on defense?
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I don’t notice that, but will keep track of that in my games. I do know that even with overwhelming odds, the defender will exact its nearly total IPC value in attackers losses.
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@Imperious-Leader Infantry and artillery on defense, fantastic on a 2 or less, infantry and artillery on offense…nope
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Battle of Uncle Archery German turn 1
Attack on Belorussia
https://imgur.com/a/86stRSSAttack on Karelia 3 German Infantry and one fighter attacking one lone grunt, all German infantry destroyed, Russia retains control of Karelia. 5 rounds of rolls not a one to be rolled for my infantry nor a 3 for my fighter in 5 rounds.
https://imgur.com/a/srWcpQ2
https://imgur.com/a/XgTGmLZ
https://imgur.com/a/zwD3nss
https://imgur.com/a/5fyrw53
https://imgur.com/a/s6n7ATv
Now on Russia no such heroic defense by Germany
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Well in the first battle he hit 2 more times than odds.
In the second battle round 1, nobody hit and they weren’t supposed to hit based on odds.
Round 3 same thing
Round 4 he hit you whiffed, which is possible, but not really a huge dice defeat
Round 5 he hit again and you whiffed.The only thing you had going for you was one fighter and it missed 5 times… which isn’t really crazy dice results.
In Russia i see no crazy dice either. these are typical attacks for round one and the results and Russian loses are normal…again not crazy.
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@Brian-Cannon said in 🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting:
for every 4 bombing runs I am averaging 3 bombers shot down (multiple games).
I’ve had a lot of bombers shot down but even more got through. This still feels like games in real life
The miss rate on Shore bombardment is worse, and I cant remember when I have hit a territory with AA guns that they didnt hit at least once.
I haven’t had the same experience
I cannot remember an attack I have made where my units exceeded expectations, if anything it will always be less than what calculator predicted.
I’ve had a few battles that went very well in my favor.
I’m not sure it’s actually a PRNG problem. I think it’s a game balance and game mechanic problem being revealed because we play so many more games at the same time with AAO. I may be an A&A fan but 1942 SE definitely has flaws.
Dave Jensen, Founder of Axis & Allies .org
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