KJF - Now what do I do???

If he is Island Hoping STRAFE HIS FLEET.

This will kill his TRNs, and leave him with nothign to “hop” with.

Then you sit back and wait for him to attack you, or you strafe again in 2-3 turns when he has had a chance to build some more TRNs and move them forward.

Either way, you keep pouring your forces into Asia as though nothign has changed…

Strafing USA good?
This gets tricky when he has a superior fleet AND some BB’s to take first hits!
and I think USA can easily accompish such a fleet!
he is on defense then and gets better rolls!

so if his fleet is inferior when attacking you, but superior when defending?
(and of course, he goes island hopping)
how will you be able to strafe then?

hit the us fleet wit all you got, if the ods are god for mutual destruction if you really want to stop the island hoping, personaly i see island hooping as a late in the game problem…

And remember,

With the strafe all you are going for are the TRNs.  As soon as you sink them, retreat.

You will probably lose Japan’s TRNs in the process, but your new builds will be where you need them, and then you offload another batch of troops to Asia the NEXT round.

Then if needed, those TRNs become fodder for another strafe to kill the US’s new TRNs

On defense, he can;t use any bombers or island based FIGs.  Japan can, since his fleet will be in range of almost your entire air force whether it is on carriers or not.

@Axel:

Strafing USA good?
This gets tricky when he has a superior fleet AND some BB’s to take first hits!
and I think USA can easily accomplish such a fleet!
he is on defense then and gets better rolls!

so if his fleet is inferior when attacking you, but superior when defending?
(and of course, he goes island hopping)
how will you be able to strafe then?

well, ncscswitch?
How can you strafe a USA fleet that is inferior when attacking (so, USA will not attack you but will go island hopping), but SUPERIOR when defending?
and certainly: what if he has 2 or 3 BB’s?
I believe a strafe is not as easy as it seems then!!!

If the US has 3 BB’s, then Germany better be kicking butt in Europe, and Japan better already be heavy in Novo, because several turns have gone by, first for US to build them, then more turns to move them forward.  All of that time the US has effectively been a non-entity in the game.  And in a game of Japan/Germany against UK/Russia, the Axis will quickly decimate the Allies.

Not to mention a few subs built by Japan, combined with her air force and her own BB’s, can still make quick work of those BB’s… trading Japan Subs for US Battleships.

Still,

you seem to picture it as a piece of cake…
I’m not so sure about it all!

Let’s just say Germany is not able to pull Russia and UK off, due to lack of a good strategy from the G player!

my question remains:
Starting from which proportions do you strafe a fleet?

Do you strafe one when you have less pips on attack then he has on defense?
when do the proportion of pips def/att trigger your sence for strafing?

Not necessarilly a matter of pips.

It is a question of number of hits I can reasonably assume to get compared to the number of TRNs he has, compared to the number of hits I’ll take on the defense roll, and what units I will have to take those hits on.

If I can trade absorbed hits on my own BB’s, and a couple of SUBs and take out the US TRNs, then I have just made his fleet impotent for taking territory.  And then if I pull back with my BB’s, remaining fodder units, my AC and land some FIGs on it, the US has to attack ME on defense with carriers, fresh BB’s, etc.

Of course, if I have bomber(s) in range, and enough fodder (like I dropped 2 subs for every BB the US built) and I have the ability to get a large chunk of my FIGs to the battle, I may just go ahead and kill that fleet.

Depends on the dice…

But the main think is that US will only be “screwing around” in the pacific ocean if he isn´t able to keep the Trn´s….  (he should build facory in Sinkiang in addition to this.

@ncscswitch:

Depends on the dice…

That’s always true :-P

but I get the picture…

Is the US buying in the Pacific?

If so, Germany will be the major player in Europe.  Japan just gets a few forces to Asia as it can.

Also, if the US is sending fleet against you, STOP building TRNs and land forces until you can protect them (AC’s, FIGs, a BB, perhaps a sub or 2)

There are some older threads on killing the KJF.

Main items are:
Build AC’s to load with existing FIGs
Consolidate your fleet for defense.
Have a few SUBs for fodder and attack
Have at least 1 BB (preferably 2) to absorb hits and provide punch

You need to be sure you are killing the Pearl Fleet on J1, and whatever units UK sent to sink your TRN off Kwang in UK1

Then start with a TRN build off Japan in J1 (protected by a BB) and you can definitely offload 6 divisions to Asia on J2 (and 2 on J1).

Then, if the US keeps coming, build an AC and a SUB, and 2 INF (or more land units if you ahve the funds) to keep offloading to Asia

If US is still building up, another AC, and more land units.

If the US is building SUBs, be sure there is at least 1 DST in the fleet.

Then wait for him to come to you…
while you are sending 6 divisions per turn into Asia to boost your income.

That is the short version.  It may need tweeked for specific strats (India IC, Sinkiang IC, etc.)

Some thoughts and numbers on the naval KJF game.

As Japan you have to buy the 3rd carrier only after a US ‘offensive’ fleet moves within striking distance of your fleet (most probably in the Alaskan sz).
Your basic fleet of 2bb 2ac 4ftr 1dd 4trn has Dpunch 37 Count 15. The third carrier group will bring that to Dpunch 48 (8 hits in the first round of combat) Count 18. Pretty decent defense for the US to overcome. Normally a US attack against your fleet can’t happen before US5 so you’ll have 4 rounds (J2 to J5) to unload (a max of 32) land units in Asia.

If the US will go hopping they’ll build a defensive fleet and you’ll have to attack it to kill the transports. Probably you’ll have to attack after they go to the Solomons.
Again your basic attacking force is 2bb 6ftr 1dd 1bmr 4trn (2ac) has Opunch 35 (almost 6 hits) Count 18. Also, it can sustain 6 hits without loosing Opunch meaning it will probably hit another 5-6 times in the second round of combat killing a 10-12 boat/ftr fleet in 2 rounds.
Also, against island hopping you should probably build the airforce up to 8 ftrs because each carrier can bring 4 ftrs to battle.
Finally I think that you have the option of not attacking the US fleet in the Solomons but after it conquers one of it’s target islands.

I know that some things such as an Indian factory, the UK fleet, a Russian stack in Bury, the UK bmr threatening Japanese sea zones, UK ftr reinforcing PH and a Sinkiang factory (although it weakens US naval builds) can give Japan additional problems but the Japanese player should have the basic numbers in mind when organizing his naval defense against KJF.

It seems that you aren´t doing so well back in Europe.
In a KJF game Germany normally can take Egypt on G1 and then whole Africa and Tr.J. and Persia in the next 2 rounds without the use of big armies.
Meanwhile you can also threaten Caucasus and later on Moscow and don´t forget about London, because Uk sometimes forgets itself,
In many games you can also easily outbuild the UK navy if Uk isn´t putting much into Eu. waters and threaten London, Brazil or force the US to protect Eastern US with more soldiers, pulling pressure of Japan.