Anti-Tank capabilities for anti-aircraft units (1940 game)

ROCKET luck

I have a house rule every country get a free tech first round
so the game is different every time.

but if germany gets rocket is uk then done as my strategy then don’t attack russia J1 rocket Londen airbase if it’s disabled what is a 50/50 chance you can come in with all the bombers you want if you want of course to bomb and you can do easily 25+ damage in IPC first the IC you can with only 2 strategic bomber max 16 damage and average 10 damage that is enough for to set it disabled to produce
and with my testing go with 2 tactical bomber for the naval base and 2 strategic and 1 tactical bomber for the IC and economic they are broke then can’t place units and you can still attack with ships
let me know you thought about this

Welcome to the forums, DarkHand! I think you’re on the right track with some of these ideas- have you done a few searches for the existing A/C and other re-balance threads? There are a bunch of them, some absolutely massive, many still active, so calling yours “official” might be a bit of an overreach, but who knows? For example, here’s a thread with literally 1500+ posts that might steady you a bit or give you some inspiration: https://www.axisandallies.org/forums/topic/26089/g40-redesign-currently-taking-suggestions

As for making your own suggestions, playtesting with a dedicated group (enough to figure out the ‘meta’ of a particular HR) is key, so this right here:

@DarkHand said in Official Aircraft Rework Discussion:

I have yet to play test this (or even play regularly really :white_frowning_face: ).

is probably going to be the only limit on what you’re able to come up with. Good luck!

It is more realistic to move warships from one SZ to another.
But, would you retreat more than 1 TT to repair your Tank?
(Land movement are much slower and falling back damaged Tanks while staying in position with Art and Inf make such delay an issue. You also have to compare between planes for the cost. Aircraft mobility and versatility is way more interesting than 2 hits units which have to return to IC for repair.)

IMO, it is easier to consider that such unit are repaired right on place with spare parts.

A different procedure I suggested a while ago is that you can only repair one and have to pick a damaged Tank as casualty before allocating a hit to damage another Tank.

So, instead of 10 Tanks staying on battle until the 11th hits.
A second hits eliminates a first Tank.
This becomes far less effective, but it is easier to follow a single damaged Tank per stack.

However, I did not search on how to calculate such way of allocating damage.

Hopefully I can remember enough to add a quick finish to this after all this time.  Basically, Churchill’s morale was broken after England fell and realizing the mistake of thinking India’s IPC’s were England’s, so he went off to play cards.  Roosevelt took over control of all of the remaining Commonwealth nations and military forces.  Stalin still felt optimistic that he could push back the Germans.

The following summarizes R4+5 (I think it was 5 rounds at least)

Japan and the US clashed around the Caroline Islands in what was the largest naval battle of the game.  Japanese battleships Yamato, Musashi, and Nagato joined the carriers Zuikaku, Shokaku, and the Kaga complete with full loads of Tony, Oscar, and Zero fighters as well as Kate and Val bombers along with 5 destroyers against a multinational fleet consisting of US and Royal Naval forces lead by the “Big E”, the USS Enterprise loaded with Wildcat fighters and Dauntless bombers (still in their 1940 pre-war livery), the carrier USS Lexington with a Wildcat fighter group and Devastator bombers all in Battle of Midway camouflage, 5 DD’s, a sub and a bunch of transports, with the BB USS West Virginia not able to join the battle in time. The overwhelming Japanese force was successful, with the bulk of their forces surviving with battleships damaged.  Encountering success everywhere, they also wiped out the last remaining Chinese resistance.  On the follow up turn, an Australian tank corp raced across the country to defeat the sneaky Japanese and their infantry unit’s beached was eliminated.  The few surviving Mongolian troops and the Allied powers had little to celebrate.

Roosevelt took huge morale blows with Churchill’s resignation and now this catastrophic naval loss, but he was still hanging in there by a thread.  The Japanese were pretty much the masters of mainland Asia.

In Europe, Iraqi soldiers were charging towards India, backed by their Italian friends.  Germany kept pressing towards Russia.  They bought another carrier and a Destroyer to further intimidate the Americans, who were still equally distributing their money to each front, with some money left over given to land units to maintain parity with Stalin, with the idea of spending everything to land units against Russia on the following turn.  Italy steamed the Battleship Littorio, a cruiser, DDs, and subs past the “Pillars of Hercules” to further intimidate the Americans from making a move.  The naval intimidation moves succeeded on Roosevelt who decided to capitulate as he didn’t want to dare move the US fleet in range of all of those Axis ships, especially given all of the airpower that could support them.  Stalin tried to convince him to fight on, but after the demoralizing Pacific defeat, he didn’t have the heart to see the USS Ranger, California, and Arizona at the bottom of the sea (yes, the USS Arizona was stationed on the East Coast for this alternative history).  The Allies were essentially defeated and it was game over.
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1eWPStTU4pgFqS3rN8NnCtVlTJzmcFZnSHA
Pacific after the Allies capitulated

https://drive.google.com/open?id=1Htmx1y4AuE4X81l1iBdf0bU8wiABqjiTxQ
Europe after the Allies capitulated

I’m betting this variant is not balanced, but there were so many mistakes and the skill level was so unbalanced between the Axis and Allies, that it’s hard to say that it favors the Axis.  It seemed like Sea Lion wouldn’t have worked with England collecting the proper income and making more strategic decisions such as supporting with Canadian troops and not scrambling all of their air force in the initial attacks.  The drawback of simultaneous play was that the newer players couldn’t be monitored as well as when play is one country at a time.  Perhaps playing one country at a time for the first round may be the way to go when there are new players, so they can be watched and have their questions answered.

It’s all great! Artillery is great for Russia, Mechs are great for Germany, crusier and tactical bomber are useful for Japan USA and UK, and AAA add nice defense.

This is a mod which changes some rules and adds many more pieces to the setup. It uses the pieces and countries of 1940. I would love for everyone to try it and give their opinion.

Rules changes:
All units are added from 1940 2nd Edition except air and naval bases. ICs printed on the map are not used; ICs from 1940 are used instead. Strategic bombing raids can be done against these. No new ICs can be built. Units such as carriers and battleships which have different rules in 1941 compared to 1940 keep the rules of 1941.

All spaces are worth double their printed value. Countries start with double IPCs as well.

Italy: Italy is its own power now. It receives control of Southern and Western(ahistorical but the best I can do) Europe. Italy’s capital is in Southern Europe.

ANZAC: ANZAC is its own power now. It receives control of Australia, East Indies(ahistorical again), New Guinea, Sllolomon Islands, and New Zealand. Its capital is in Australia.

China: China is its own power. China must stay in China. China may only purchase infantry and artillery. China may deploy anywhere in China(Northwestern China, Szechwan, Manchuria, and Coastal China). If all four of these are captured by Allies, China gets control of all of them and may build all units (anywhere in China) and may move out of China. The US may give China as many IPCs as it wants; however China may only purchase one unit with US funds per turn. If all China is controlled by Axis, US gets China’s IPCs.

France: France is its own power now. France receives control of France(note that this has been captured) West Africa, Equatorial Africa,and  Madagascar. France is considered an originally controlled territory of France. If France is liberated France assumes control and places one infantry there(this happens each time France is captured). Note that if France is liberated by Alllies and Germany takes it back, Italy will NOT assume control as it is an original French territory.

Anything blunt or unspecified should be corrected. Feel free to ask me abut any rules.

Note that the setup is really three setups in one: the original, the setup pictured on the back of the box, and the units I added. A bit crowded. It plays well but some problems are still here. Please try it out and give me feedback.

Turn order and starting IPCs in hand/ starting income(don’t forget that everything is doubled):
Soviet Union: 14
Italy: 8
Germany: 16
ANZAC: 6
France: 0
United Kingdom: 18
Japan: 18
United States: 32
China: 2

Setup:
Germany:
Germany:6 infantry, 2 mech, 1 fighter, 2 S bombers, major IC
France: 3 infantry, 1 artillery, 1 AAA, 1tank, 1 fighter, 1 T bomber
Norway/Finland: 3 infantry, 1 AAA
Southern Europe: 2 infantry
North Africa: 3 infantry, 1 mech, 1 artillery, 1 tank
Eastern Europe: 5 infantry, 2 artillery, 1 AAA, 3 tanks, 1 fighter, 1 T bomber, 1 S bomber
Ukraine: 3 infantry, 2 tanks, 1 AAA
West Russia: 4 infantry
SZ 5: 1 sub, 1 destroyer, 1 cruiser, 1 battleship
SZ 6: 1 sub
SZ 9: 1 sub
SZ 16: 1 sub, 1 transport, 1 cruiser
SZ 17: 1 transport, 1 destroyer
SZ 18: 1 transport, 1 cruiser

Italy:
Southern Europe: 4 infantry 1 artillery 1 AAA 1 fighter 1 t bomber minor IC control marker
Western Europe: 1 infantry minor IC control marker
North Africa: 2 infantry 1 artillery 1 mech. 1 tank
SZ 17 1 transport 2 destroyers 1 cruiser

Japan:
Japan: 6 infantry 1 artillery 1 mech. 1 AAA 1 tank 1 fighter 1 T bomber 2 S bombers major IC
Iwo Jima: 1 infantry
Okinawa: 1 infantry 1 fighter
Manchuria: 4 infantry
Coastal China: 3 infantry 1 artillery 1 tank 1 fighter
Southeast Asia: 2 infantry 1 artillery
Caroline Islands: 2 infantry
SZ 45: 1 transport 1 destroyer 1 cruiser 2 carriers(carrying 3 fighters and 1 t bomber) 1 battleship
SZ 46: 1 transport 1 destroyer 1 carrier( carrying 1 fighter and 1 t bomber)
SZ 31: 1 destroyer 1 sub
SZ. 38: 1 transport 1 destroyer 2 cruisers 1 carrier(carrying 2 fighters)
SZ 37: 1 sub

Soviet Union:
Russia: 8 infantry, 2 mech., 1 artillery, 1 AAA, 1 tank, 2 fighters 1 T bomber 1 S bomber major IC
Archangel: 4 infantry
Karelia: 3 infantry 1 AAA
Caucasus: 5 infantry, 1 artillery 1 AAA 1 tank minor IC
Urals: 1 infantry 1 tank
Siberia: 5 infantry
SZ 4: 1 sub
SZ 3 1 sub 1 transport
SZ18: 1 transport 1 cruiser

ANZAC:
Australia: 3 infantry 1 artillery 1 AAA 1 fighter minor IC
New Zealand: 1 infantry 1 fighter
New Guinea: 1 infantry
India: 1 infantry
Egypt: 1 infantry 1 artillery
SZ 33: 2 subs 1 transport 1 cruiser

France:
England: 1 infantry 1 fighter
Equatorial Africa:  1 infantry 1 mech. 1 artillery
Egypt: 1 infantry
Middle East: 1 infantry
SZ 25: 1 transport 1 destroyer 1 cruiser

United Kingdom:
England: 2 infantry 1 artillery 1 AAA 1 fighter 1 t bomber 2 s bombers major IC
Eastern Canada: 1 infantry 1 tank
Western Canada :1 infantry
Egypt :2 infantry 1 mech. 1 artillery 1 AAA 2 tanks 1 t bomber
Kenya :1 infantry 1 fighter
Union of South Africa :1 infantry
Middle East : 1 infantry
India : 3 infantry 1 artillery 1 fighter 1 t bomber minor IC
SZ 8: 1 sub 1 cruiser 1 battleship
SZ 10: 2 transports 1 destroyer
SZ 14: 1 carrier (carrying 1 fighter)
SZ 29: 1 transport 1 destroyer 1 cruiser
SZ 30: 1 battleship

United States :
Easter US :6 infantry 2 tanks 1 fighter 1 s bomber major IC
Western US :3 infantry 1 mech. 1 artillery 1 tank 1 s bomber major IC
Alaska : 1 infantry
Hawaii : 2 infantry 1 AAA
Philippines : 2 infantry
Midway : 1 infantry 1 t bomber
Wake: 1 infantry
SZ 11: 1 sub 1 destroyer 1 transport 1 cruiser
SZ 42: 1 sub 1 transport 1 cruiser 1 carrier (carrying 2 fighters)  1 battleship
SZ 40: 1 transport 1 carrier (carrying 1 fighter and 1 t bomber) 1 battleship

China:
Northwestern China: 2 infantry
Szechwan: 3 infantry 1 artillery 1 fighter

Thanks Lars.  I went ahead and took the plunge and ordered the French, Italian, ANZAC and Chinese units from HBG.  I took a look at each power’s starting units and then made an education guess as to what I would need.  They arrived yesterday and I’ve got them all sorted out and ready to go.  Just waiting for the boards to come in and I’ll get a game going.  But good thoughts on the classic units, if I need anything extra all those classic pieces will be coming out of retirement.

:-)

I slightly redesigned my concept of ATGs:

ATGs should be 1(2)/2(3)/1 units.

1/2/1 vs all units except tanks
2/3/1 vs tanks

It’s more logical to get the + 1 bonus against tanks as an ATG in both, attack and defense.

This makes ATGs more valuable and justifies its costs of 4 IPC.