Capital Punishment: case of Stanley "Tookie" Williams

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How is supporting a convicted murderer advancement? thats lowering their status in my eyes.

I never point out spelling errors, but this one is kind of funny.

And yet because he wrote some stupid childrens books, and tries to help teens stay out of games…

STAY OUT OF GAMES?  That heartless bastard!  I say we should fry him twice!

If the world was full of gaming geeks there would be no violence!

I couldn’t help it  :evil:

OK, he was convicted of 4 murders.  One a single murder, the other a triple homicide of a man, woman and their DAUGHTER.  Killed a little girl with a shotgun blast.

And let’s not forget, he founded the Cripps.  How many people have the Cripps killed?  Conspiracy to commit murder anyone?

LOTS of people on death row suddenly find Jesus, or Allah, or whatever.  The thing is, for all of their alleged efforts at redemption, the people they killed are STILL dead.

In a way, the death penalty reminds me of a bumper sticker that is very popular around Camp Lejeune lately…
“It is God’s job to judge the terrorists.  It is our job to arrange the meeting.”

If Tookie is truly reformed, his deity will handle it.  But to be honest, I know the answer to that question.  If he were TRULY reformed, if he were TRULY anti-gang, he would have helped the police break the Cripps instead of never answering a single question of who, what, how, etc. for that criminal organization.

Fry him, the sooner the better.

@Imperious:

The NAACP plans a four-city California tour to persuade the governor to block the execution of Stanley Tookie Williams on December 13th.

The State Supreme Court has refused to block the convicted killer’s execution. Governor Arnold Schwarzenegger will hold a private clemency hearing December 8th.
There have been lots of rallies in support of Williams, drawing big names like Jamie Foxx and Snoop Dogg.

Williams founded the Crips street gang, but became an anti-gang activist after being sent to death row in 1981. He was convicted of murdering 3 people in a very grusome manner ( i saw the pictures). And yet because he wrote some stupid childrens books, and tries to help teens stay out of games… the rationale is he has somehow paid for his crimes and deserves a lessor punishment. He even recieved a nomination for the nobel peace prize, but that was exposed as a publicity trick, because its very easy for anybody to get a nomination. The other point being that hes a black man and according to all his supporters theirs simply too many blacks in prisons ( of no fault of their own) and their is a bais against them, so goes this line of reasoning. In fact he still has stong ties to the crip gangs and as such they have mandated that they will begin shooting cops, if this man dies on the 13th. Why does the black community always back a loser? And those anti- death crowds put out all these facts that focus on the same tactic, while their real intentions are only that nobody should die under the law, as their is no event that could warrant this punishment.
    Its real sad that our poor white boy jeffrey Dalmer didnt get such a turning out of all the actors and chefs in the comminity, after all they could had emeril lagasse  prepare Jeff’s herb crusted leg of sam recipe on that food network, or passed out brocures on the nutritional  merits of eating Human meat or say their too many canabilists that have been convicted awaiting death.

Now for my serious post.

I am against the death penalty, not for “humane” reasons that you claim most people who are against it are.

I am cheap, it costs too much.  This case is the best example, 24 years of this crap going on?  All that money on appeals just blown to kill this guy?  Life w/o parole, this would have been settled at least a decade ago (unless new evidence came to light).  All this money being spent just to kill him?  Like life in prison is oh so great.  Hell, I would rather be put to death than suffer a daily bathroom rape.

Now from the other side, “well, we just need to cut past all the appeals”.  That is BS.  The system is there to protect the innocent, not the guilty.  If I were falsely accused of something I would want every protection available to me.  Ya, this guy is probably as guilty as Dalmer was.  Clear cut case as far as it goes.  But where do you draw the line on a crime saying that the evidence is enough to supercede (sp) their rights?  That line can, and would get very blury if you cut out all the safe guards.

So I think the safe guards are a MUST.  If the death penalty was a deterant than I could see a reason for it, but I have never heard any stats that says that it is.

My father was an abusive drunk.  When I was a teen I told my friends that “if i could get away with it” I would off the guy (yes it was stupid, but I was a teenager).  Now lets say some crazy asshole went into my parent’s house and killed him.  If my friends did not want to lie, they would have to tell the court that I had said those things.  Now I am on death row for a crime that I did not commit.

Sorry, I am not going to give up my rights so that a few people can satisfy their bloodlust.  I call it bloodlust because their is no rational reason for killing the guy.

I feel no compassion for killers, I just don’t see the good in killing them.  It won’t bring back the victems.  Now torturing terrorist makes sense to me because it can prevent deaths.  That is a BIG difference.

@Imperious:

Word up… :mrgreen:

ROFLMMFAO!  The perfect smiley for this thread!  :evil:

@Zooey72:

I am cheap, it costs too much.  This case is the best example, 24 years of this crap going on?  All that money on appeals just blown to kill this guy?  Life w/o parole, this would have been settled at least a decade ago (unless new evidence came to light).  All this money being spent just to kill him?  Like life in prison is oh so great.  Hell, I would rather be put to death than suffer a daily bathroom rape.

You REALLY think that prison is hard on this guy?  He is the FOUNDER of the Cripps.  Hell half the people in prison with him are probably also Cripps, beholden to HIM.  Hell, he probably has more real power within those walls than the Warden does.  No one rapes HIM.  He is a GIVER of orders to his prisonmates, and probably still a giver of orders beyond the walls to other Cripps (which is probably part of why he has never named a single name, offered the slightest insight as to how the gang is orgnaized, etc.)

This guy is just as dangerous as a leader of the Cripps IN prison as he is outside of it.  Actually, more so, since in prison he is unlikely to get killed in a drive-by as other Cripps members are subject to.

Yep, this one needs to die.  Surprised that it did not happen sooner.  Child killers generally don;t live long in prison…

@ncscswitch:

@Zooey72:

I am cheap, it costs too much.  This case is the best example, 24 years of this crap going on?  All that money on appeals just blown to kill this guy?  Life w/o parole, this would have been settled at least a decade ago (unless new evidence came to light).  All this money being spent just to kill him?  Like life in prison is oh so great.  Hell, I would rather be put to death than suffer a daily bathroom rape.

You REALLY think that prison is hard on this guy?  He is the FOUNDER of the Cripps.  Hell half the people in prison with him are probably also Cripps, beholden to HIM.  Hell, he probably has more real power within those walls than the Warden does.  No one rapes HIM.  He is a GIVER of orders to his prisonmates, and probably still a giver of orders beyond the walls to other Cripps (which is probably part of why he has never named a single name, offered the slightest insight as to how the gang is orgnaized, etc.)

This guy is just as dangerous as a leader of the Cripps IN prison as he is outside of it.  Actually, more so, since in prison he is unlikely to get killed in a drive-by as other Cripps members are subject to.

Yep, this one needs to die.  Surprised that it did not happen sooner.  Child killers generally don;t live long in prison…

A good point in this case, but my objection to the death penalty still stands.  Not everyone has founded the Cripps.  He probably does not get raped or anything else.  If he is calling the shots in prison, seperate him from other inmates and visitors.  Problem solved.  Still not worth the millions to kill him.

BTW, any of you see the 70s picture of this guy?  Holy crap does he have big arms!  Hell, Arnold (he was a body builder) may let him off just cuz the guy was built like a brick shithouse.  lol

@Zooey72:

A good point in this case, but my objection to the death penalty still stands.

In the case of Capital Punishment, we shall have to agree to disagree then,

Oddly enough - i am in agreement with Zooey.
I do have other reasons, of course . . . .
Some of them are related to my religious views.
Some of them are related to exactly what Zooey posted.  As far as DNA evidence goes - people think this is as good as a conviction, but all it does is demonstrate one’s presence at the same site as an event.
Also - i don’t see me being the one to kill somebody else, and i really don’t see it as my place to have someone else kill someone.

Who would Jesus execute?

How many people have the Cripps killed?  Conspiracy to commit murder anyone?

“Soldiers are murderers” - Kurt Tucholsky

the rationale is he has somehow paid for his crimes and deserves a lessor punishment.

Is “paying” part of the judicial principles in the USA, or is this your personal opinion?

He even recieved a nomination for the nobel peace prize, but that was exposed as a publicity trick, because its very easy for anybody to get a nomination.

A trick would mean he did not get a nomination. And getting a nomination is not very easy.
“How to nominate” can be found here:
http://nobelprize.org/peace/nomination/index.html

The whole starting post was not surprising fro IL, in its bias and misinformation. I don’t see any merit in this thread, which only due to some effort of Zooey and CC might evolve. But that could have been achieved better by starting a serious thread from the begining.
This way this thread - especially with the connection to the cannibal - is not worth the time i took to type this (yes, too much time at my hands at the moment). IMO it should be locked.

@Mary:

Who would Jesus execute?

Jesus would tell individual sinners to “sin no more” and they would obey.

A governor or president has the power to pardon, but not the power of Jesus to enable a life of redeeming action by any sinner, let alone one of a mass murder scale.

Sure he has done some good since going into prison.
I have volunteered to put roofing and siding on houses.  I can also write some books.  But I still had to pay for my parking tickets.  My volunteering was before and after getting the tickets.

Of course, a miracles can still happen, and this guy could exhibit some immunity to whatever poison they will inject.

Ahem,

Maybe I should have just “apologized” for parking longer than I had change to put into the meter.  Yeah, that would have gotten me out of the tickets.

@Imperious:

… I am also gald you see you fall in my fishing net… yet again!

from
http://dict.die.net/troll/

4. To angle for with a trolling line, or with a book drawn
      along the surface of the water; hence, to allure.
5. To fish in; to seek to catch fish from.

An … Usenet posting … which is intentionally incorrect,
  but not overtly controversial (compare flame bait), or the
  act of sending such a message.  Trolling aims to elicit an
  emotional reaction …

Not only admitted, but also admitted repeated trolling.

I propose this thread to be locked for aobvious and admitted trolling.