Victory Conditions w/ Russian Revolution

@krieghund

Yeah, but in reality it wouldn’t make any sense.

Anyhow, it’s good to clarify.

@El:

What happens if Russia Revolution is declared and Finland is occupied by brithis units and rusian units?

The British units have one turn to get out of Finland.  If they don’t, they are removed from the board.

@El:

Can germany attack Finlad to take over Finland eventhoug is occupied with rusian troops?

No.  Neither side may move units into Russian-controlled territories.

@El:

Can british troops attack livonia which is occupied by germans?

That depends on what you mean by “occupied”.

If Germany controls Livonia, then yes.  The territory is considered to have no original controller for the rest of the game and is therefore up for grabs.

If Livonia is contested, then no.  Allied powers may no longer move units into territories shared between Russia and the Central Powers.

Adding write-up of procedure we use…
Divided into 2 parts, territory is either Original or Non-Original.

PROCEDURE:

The Revolution can occur at the end of any Russian turn starting with turn 4.
At that time an Armistice is offered FROM the new Soviet Russia power TO the Central Powers.  
The offer is NOT optional and is a ONE time offer, that is accepted or rejected.  
IF ACCEPTED…

No further battle against Russian units is permitted.  Travel into territories with ONLY Russian units is forbidden.

Non-Original Russian Territories and Sea Zones (including Serbia and Romania)
1.  Remove all Russian units.
2.  Remove all Russian sea units.
3.  Remove all Russian control tokens, plus, as applies after step 1, if territory is…
a.  Contested…
    No further action.
b.  Other AP or CP powers only…
    Captured territories goes to remaining power, or if multiple, their choice.
    Original territories, control goes to original power. Exception: If original AP
               power’s capital is captured, then control goes to other AP power (if any).
       c.  No units of any power…
            Original territories, control goes to original power.
            All other territories are uncontrolled.

Original Russian Territories
1.  Remove all Russian units, except leave 1 infantry unit where units exist.
2.  Establish territory control…
    a.  Controlled by a CP power…
         The territory remains in that CP power’s control.  The CP power will continue
 to collect IPC income.  Treat these same as any other neutral territory.  These
          can never become Russian territories again.
    b.  Contested, but only with non-Russian powers…
         1.  Add 1 Russian infantry unit.
         2.  Follow step c.
    c.  Contested…
         Territory remains contested for remainder of game.  However the CP player
  is allowed movement through the territory if it maintains a garrison.  AP players
  cannot enter these territories. Plus see step e. ** If CP leaves, it cannot re-enter.**
    d.  Occupied with other AP power(s) only…
         1.  Add 1 Russian infantry unit.
         2.  Follow step e.          
    e.  Shared with other AP power(s) (with or without CP powers)…
         AP player must leave Russia by end of their next move once the revolution
 has occurred or they will be removed from the board.  No battle is allowed in
these territories.  Contested movement restriction (pg 15) does not apply.
    f.  Controlled by Russians only…
        1.  Add 1 Russian infantry in none exists.  Entry by AP/CP powers is forbidden.

I favour a system where the CPs have to hold X number of VCs at the end of turn Y to have won. It is essentially a curve based on the extent of expansion they are expected to have reached after a specific number of rounds.

In the designer’s Tournament rules (which can be found here), any power can collapse, and Russia has no special rules (the Russian Revolution rules are not used).

I don’t find the number of chips to be a problem with anything other than infantry, and I have another colour (MB version white) for 10 infantry.

Two or three large stacks in a region are much less of a problem than 7 or 8 medium ones.

Hey Flashman, you are well informed and have good ideas BUT I can assure you that these thoughts will lead to complex rules which Larry would like to prevent especially for this initial release which is supposed to bring some numbers in!

I am curious how he avoids some of your described problems but we will see.

In an advanced game/collector’s editon whatsoever things might be different!

No Dreadnoughts should ever be built in the game since it takes 3+ years from start to finish. I understand it makes the game unplayable, but accuracy and not fun must be part of the game.

Extrapolating this further all other naval units take 6-8 turns to build. I understand this means that half the game will have empty oceans, but oh well. Accuracy and not fun is whats important.

Limits on how many of one type of unit get built would also presumably be part of Larry’s rules.

If one thing we know is Axis and Allies is a perfect representation of Historical accuracy, and not fun anymore.

Enjoy the game.