Dutch Rule Clarification Needed

@bakerbei said in Assistance with the bidding rules:

@AndrewAAGamer Would Germany still not be able to take both SZ 110 and 111? I believe that Germany has 4 subs, 4 fighters, 4 tactical bombers, 2 strategic bombers and 1 battleship to bring to bear on the two sea zones.

If it’s split evenly, with the battleship going to the English Channel, Germany has odds on both, even with a Scottish Fighter bid and scrambling the now 5 fighters.

Are my calculations off or is it not a given that the Scottish Fighter saves a fleet?

No they will still win both combats. But it will cost them more units.
Gemany cannot afford to lose most of its planes there, and a bad roll of the dice can really screw up german plans.

@Ichabod:

@PainState:

A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.

Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.

There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.

Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.

Hi PainState,

From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.

There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â

This was a rule that was added because of the Axis advantage in earlier games being able to bridge. From Italy to Africa and Japan to Korea, the axis had great advantage with that plus a defense of 1 so I assume transports at 0 forces the axis powers to actually commit a naval defense.

Transports may not attack without being accompanied by at least 1 unit with an attack value, unless they are conducting an amphibious assault from a friendly sea zone that is free of enemy submarines.

This should read “Transports may not attack in a sea battle without being accompanied by at least 1 unit with an attack value.”

@rmcbride:

"what do you mean by “G40”

Global 1940

Fantastic!  Thanks Bob!

@Omega:

When one scramble for defense, can you decide to back after one round of fire? (as the defender_

Urgent, we stopped playing -.-

Asked and answered in the FAQ thread.

You cannot retreat as the defender for any reason.

Thanks very much.
Cheers!

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