Allies (+16) vs. Axis (darkskies) Coop

Hmmmm, I know I’m a relative newbie regarding JF stuff, but I know how to J4India. My point is that I deliberately did not go for it (tough decision I admit), because that would position the IJN in the Indian sea J4. With an India scheme I saw the USA + ANZAC going Carolines->Philippines+DEI, also denying Japan their naval set up location at SZ6 all the time. Doesn’t this already mean game over for Japan, even though they control India???
If I’m missing something important, please do tell. How can Japan overcome the above, even though controlling India?

I’d like to continue for a while. When I am 100% sure it’s not going to work, we can switch sides again. If I feel up to another game ;-). Don’t know about you but I can play this game too much in a short time.

If you wish, we can then even start from round 2 or 3 so you can still do that J4India. We then just delete the IC I bought J1 and add another TRS in SZ6 and give Japan an extra 4IPCs.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 5

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 destroyer, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            2 infantry moved from Northern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 97 Sea Zone to 99 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 99 Sea Zone to Cyprus
            1 submarine moved from 97 Sea Zone to 98 Sea Zone

Combat - Italians
            Battle in Cyprus

Non Combat Move - Italians
            Turning on Edit Mode
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            EDIT: 3 infantry moved from Romania to Bessarabia
            2 aaGuns and 2 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
            1 mech_infantry moved from Romania to Ukraine
            1 mech_infantry moved from Eastern Poland to Ukraine
            1 mech_infantry moved from Baltic States to Bessarabia
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Southern Italy

Place Units - Italians
            1 destroyer placed in 97 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 mech_infantry placed in Southern Italy
            1 infantry placed in Northern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 16 PUs total
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 21 PUs

moved 3 ‘bulgarian’ germans from Romania to Bessarabia. Forgot them this turn.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Research Technology - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 bombers and 10 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            1 infantry moved from Bryansk to Tambov
            1 infantry moved from Archangel to Vologda
                  Germans take Vologda from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Nenetsia
                  Germans take Nenetsia from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Volgograd
                  Germans take Volgograd from Russians
            1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
                  Germans take Caucasus from Russians
            2 fighters moved from Ukraine to Russia
            4 bombers moved from Novgorod to Russia
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Ukraine to Tambov

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Tambov
                Germans attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Russians defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Tambov from Russians with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Air Battle in Russia
                Germans attacks with 6 units heading to Russia
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in Russia
                1 bomber killed by AA
                Bombing raid in Russia rolls: 7,3,7 and causes: 16 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in Russia causes 16 damage total.
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Germans
            3 aaGuns, 8 artilleries, 24 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            3 infantry moved from Bessarabia to Ukraine
            3 bombers and 2 fighters moved from Russia to Rostov
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Ukraine to Rostov
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Tambov to Rostov
            1 mech_infantry moved from Smolensk to Rostov
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Smolensk
            1 infantry moved from Belarus to Bryansk
            2 infantry moved from Karelia to Finland
            1 aaGun moved from Archangel to Vologda
            1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Rostov
            1 bomber moved from Novgorod to Southern Italy
            1 bomber moved from Southern France to Southern Italy
            2 bombers moved from Western Germany to Southern Italy
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Rostov
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Novgorod to Belarus
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Slovakia Hungary
            1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Rostov
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Novgorod to Ukraine

Place Units - Germans
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Novgorod
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            2 bombers and 4 mech_infantrys placed in Western Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Germans collect 59 PUs; end with 60 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 65 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 70 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 10 PUs; end with 80 PUs

Just so it’s clear:
I’m not dismissing DS as a valid strategy. I just don’t see that it’s so much better than the other strategies.
I have spent 240IPCs now on bombers. Imagine I spent that all on land units. That would be ~70 land units instead of the +13 bombers the Germans have now. Say I put 30 of them In Russia to compensate the offensive power of those bombers, and another 10 because Russia is not raided so heavily (or not at all, even). The situation in Russia would have been better for Germany because those 40 land units have more power than those +13 STR and they also defend much better. With +40 land units in Russia, Germany could also keep all of their FTR+TAC in the west to contest the allies there (but I’m not saying they should). They are just an extra bonus to every front, capable of contesting dead zones more effectively.

Anyway, that leaves another 30 land units to be divided between west and east. Add the land units already west, and GE6 -could- have 40 land units in the west if necessary, instead of just 10.

For me, the bottom line is:
yes it is working and it is a very strong strategy, worthy of high level play. It is in fact also surprisingly fun to play. But I wouldn’t call it overpowered. I think our game shows this at least, if not the fact that I perhaps need to work on my Japanese endurance against a heavy early focus by the USA ;-). If that’s the case, so be it. But if Japan can do much better against an early USA focus than I am now, the allies have a problem with Germany regardless of what strategy they use.

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.9

Game History

Round: 6

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese buy 1 airfield, 1 infantry, 3 mech_infantrys, 2 tactical_bombers and 1 transport; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            1 infantry moved from Tsinghai to Kansu
                  Japanese take Kansu from Chinese
            1 submarine moved from 39 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to 37 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 35 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            2 battleships and 1 cruiser moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Borneo
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 43 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 43 Sea Zone to Borneo
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from French Indo China to 36 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 36 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Kwangsi to Shan State
            1 infantry moved from French Indo China to Shan State
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Kwangsi to Yunnan
            1 bomber moved from Kwangsi to Borneo
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 35 Sea Zone to Java

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Java
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Java from Americans with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in 43 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in 44 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter and 1 transport
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 fighter and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in Celebes
                Japanese attack with 2 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Americans defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Celebes from Americans with 2 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Battle in Shan State
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                ANZAC defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Shan State from UK_Pacific with 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 infantry
            Battle in 37 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport
            Battle in Yunnan
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter, 2 mech_infantrys and 1 tactical_bomber
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Yunnan from Chinese with 1 fighter, 1 mech_infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 mech_infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Battle in Borneo
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 2 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber
                Americans defend with 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
                Japanese win, taking Borneo from UK_Pacific with 1 bomber, 1 fighter, 1 infantry and 1 tactical_bomber remaining. Battle score for attacker is 4
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in 41 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 1 fighter
                Americans defend with 1 transport
                Japanese win with 1 fighter remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for Americans: 1 transport

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Shan State to Kwangsi
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from Yunnan to Kwangsi
            1 bomber moved from Kiangsi to Kwangsi
            1 bomber moved from Borneo to Kwangsi
            1 fighter moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Java to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 37 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 41 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from 44 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from Celebes to 42 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Celebes to 42 Sea Zone
            1 fighter moved from Borneo to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from Borneo to 42 Sea Zone
            1 tactical_bomber moved from 43 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            6 carriers, 4 destroyers and 4 submarines moved from 35 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 transport moved from 35 Sea Zone to 6 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 3 fighters moved from Japan to Kwangsi
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Suiyuyan to Anhwe
            1 mech_infantry moved from Chahar to Hunan
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Kiangsu to Hunan
            1 armour moved from Hopei to Hunan
            1 armour moved from French Indo China to Hunan

Place Units - Japanese
            1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers placed in Kwangtung
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Kiangsu
            1 airfield placed in Kwangsi
            1 transport placed in 6 Sea Zone

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Japanese collect 56 PUs; end with 56 PUs total
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode
            Turning on Edit Mode
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangtung: 1 tactical_bomber
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangtung: 1 fighter
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Kwangtung: 1 infantry
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangtung: 1 mech_infantry
            EDIT: Removing units owned by Japanese from Hunan: 2 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Adding units owned by Japanese to Kwangsi: 2 mech_infantrys
            EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode

I hope you can see what I did with the edits.
If not, here it is: instead of 2TAC + 1 INF, I placed FTR+TAC+MECH. Same TUV. And repositioned 2 other mech after that (within their legal range, ofc).

OK, if it’s after fall of Mocow, I can relate. That should be after a while. First Germany must work on its ability to approach Moscow and if the UK sends a few FTR/TAC into that City, they can hold out longer. We’ll see how it works out.

If you are thinking about a ‘battle of the Java sea’, please take great care with allocating losses.
I must admit I used the BC on it but I didn’t take into account the dynamics of taking air and CV losses. Just looked at the statistics. I’m growing weary of the BC after a while… So if the combat is in fact much more disadvantageous for Japan I might reconsider this move. A heck, damn F’n BC… I 'll look into it ;-). I 'll simulate the battle in the BC but this time exactly how it is going to be. Should have done that by tomorrow and since you’re away this weekend, I figure that is not much time lost anyway.

Speaking of which: Njoy the weekend!