Good round one move for the Americans?

@midnight_reaper said in Eligible moves:

@fatoumas said in Eligible moves:

@midnight_reaper yes. It helped me a lot. One clarification about my first query. The same applies if on that battle there wanst a destroyer? E.g. UK has the carrier and a fighter, while the Germany has a sub and a fighter. So Germany hits the carrier and the UK doesnt hit a unit on first round of battle. Germany decide to retreat. So subs can retreat by moving on next sea zone? I am asking because, now there is not a destroyer. And subs cant hit the plane, so maybe they cant retreat in another sea zone and only the fighter can move and land on another territory?

When units retreat, either land units on land or naval units at sea, they must retreat to a territory where at least one of the land or naval units moved from during combat movement. (Land units doing an amphibious landing are not allowed to retreat, but that is outside the scope of this question.) In your case, you have 1 submarine and 1 fighter. To end this fight, you have 2 options: retreat or submerge submarine, then retreat.

Retreat: You can retreat as I outlined in my last answer. If you choose to retreat, then you can only retreat to SZ 9 or SZ 15, depending on whether your submarine came from SZ 9 or SZ 15 to attack SZ 14. Your fighter would still hang around until non-combat movement, as discussed previously. What you can not do is retreat your submarine to any other sea zones. You must retreat from whence you came.

Submerge Submarine: If you feel you must retain control of SZ 14, where the combat took place, and you feel like trying your luck against the defending fighter one more time, then you can submerge your submarine instead of retreating. When you submerge a submarine, it quits the fight but doesn’t leave the sea zone. Because you have to start another round of combat in order to submerge, your fighter would have to stay and fight 1 more round before calling off the fight. While this would give you the opportunity to finish off that British fighter, it would also give the British another chance to kill your fighter. See page 16 for submerging in combat and page 27 for submarine-specific rules.

In your specific case, I would retreat instead of submerge if it was me. But now you know what I think your options are.

My 2 IPCs,

-Midnight_Reaper

Everything is clear now. Thanks a lot for the detailed info

@Panther said in Submarine non combat move-hostile zome:

@RYNO87 said in Submarine non combat move-hostile zome:

Sorry about the bump post, I’ll wait 24 hrs next time.

There is no “24 hours-rule”. Bumps are “banned” by our Forum Rules.

There are some capable users willing to help and answer your questions - so just be patient please.

:slightly_smiling_face:

Well, that explains why I rarely see “bumps” around here… Just trying to do the right thing.

-Midnight_Reaper

Per page 9 of the Rulebook, hostile sea zones are those which contain enemy surface warships. The condition of adjacent territories has no bearing on it.

@Iisded If G has its forces placed to keep the R stack in WR, as it should, then trading Karelia, Ukraine and Caucasus. At some point G will capture Karelia in sufficient strength to hold it, but that is not the death-knell for R. Then R must block Archangel every turn to stop any tanks in Karelia reaching Moscow.

If G (or J) manage to hold Caucasus and start to build there, then the writing is probably on the wall for Moscow.

So my R stack will stay in WR unless any of the following happens:

G get odds on me there. The recapture of Caucasus requires me to denude WR’s defence to a dangerous extent. R fails to block Archangel, necessitating a withdrawal to Moscow.

Against a poor G player R will gradually gain a sufficient advantage to start to use its mobile units (supported by sufficient infantry) to kill off any smaller invading forces without those mobile units then being at risk.

But these moves are what I do against my opponents. I taught all of them to play so their moves are constrained by my guidance. I do not want to pretend that this covers every eventuality that other opponents might present.

@Private-Panic said in Attacking multiple territories in one combat move?:

Also subs not involved in combat can move into hostile sea zones in which there is no enemy destroyer present.

A small correction: Subs can even move into seazones containing an enemy destroyer:
Rulebook, 1941, page 20:

Submarines: Unlike other sea units, submarines can move through and even into hostile sea zones during this phase.
However, a submarine must end its movement when it enters a sea zone containing one or more enemy destroyers.

@jwarf Welcome to the forum :slightly_smiling_face:

Ok thanks, I appreciate it!

For which power? I tend to do an air buy for the British in India (I know most prefer an air buy an place it in England) to keep the Japanese at bay, also abandon Australia and move the infantry over to India. America  an “shuck” fighters over to Australia if the Japanese don’t take it on turn one and the British place an inf there round 2. Russia, if you’re playing with the revised set up, can usually afford to launch a massive attack on West Russia and do a round of combat or two against Ukraine before falling back on the Caucus. Pull the far east units back slowly towards Moscow, if you see the opportunity you can use these units to launch a counter attack against the Japanese if they ever occupy China.

As for the Axis…kill everything in your path  :-P…but I do consider an attak against British Eygpt to be vital to the Axis on R1.