So did uncrustable delete his whole thread?

Not in this thread.  I’ve created one specifically for you though.  We will see if your posts are still accessible after that topic is removed.= I cant remove IL’s post

@Young:

Don’t much see this Kion or mr Roboto complaining to much, and like Baron Munchhausen said… he and Uncrustable are good. So I guess it’s a dead issue No?

I made some posts mainly to save my posts and these of others also.
Talked by PM to a Mod.
He explained me that Mod put removed threads in somekind of vault.
But what was deleted on the forum, he cannot access to it.

I’m sad about this, I keep small hope as long as I didn’t receive a clear message by a Mod which is in charge of the computer system of this forum.
Probably the damage is done once and for all…

Uncrustable admitted, it was harsh from is part.
Since Uncrustable apologies, it is no more a personal matters.

But it is still a matter of principle and correcting a bad “features in A&A forum system”.

I don’t want this happen to anyone else. It is very frustrating to be ripped off of a long collaborative work in progress.

We were having a civil exchange, I was asking more historical infos, Red harvest was answering to give more proof to his assumptions. Uncrustable told us it was not the threads for historical posts. Red Harvested told him that he was still on the topics and not derailing it. (I think the same.) Then suddenly, no more threads (one think), but all of our past posts on this thread has disappeared even in our archive section when looking in the profile of the member. All posts gone.

The most basic aspect here is why having a report to Mod “button” for individual posts?
Throwing dirt to someone, calling name, being unpolite can be reported. All this is disrespectful and can attack reputation but doesn’t destroy any post.
But you still can make an appeal to a moderator to check was is written and make arbitration.

On the contrary, all the time searching, collecting infos, producing somes analysis, elabores arguments and time, (while showing respect, being polite and civil) all this can be deleted without notice (because you are not the owner of this specific threads). And, what can you do about it?
Actually, not much. Just crying, and starting over on your own thread (or making your own backup threads when posting on others.)

Because it is a forum and it is a room for talk and ideas exchanges, keeping continuous backup seems an unnecessary burden. Someone should be able to post on a threads and keep his old posts as long as he wants, even if the original thread is removed.

Think of it as a “dismantle” threads, (no way to read it as a continuous dialogue) the threads would be clearly deleted but each individual posts will stay in the archive of each owner.

Comparison (analogy) to explain the problem in another way :
You need permission (of a Mod) to “clean your household” but you can burn and destroy “your house without any licence or permission” (of a Mod)to ask to anyone. Even if there is some others inside (who wants to save their papers).

@Uncrustable:

MrRoboto never even posted in the thread we are talking about.

Was pretty much just Kion, Baron and I. Untill it got hijacked … At which point it was just Baron and I with the thread pretty much at a close regarding the OP…
I have much respect for MrRobot, KionAA and Baron, and their opinions. All 3 have provided much insight with regards to adjustments in G40.

This should be a dead issue…
For the personal issue. Yes, for my part.
But not the general problem of this “feature” of the forum.

If you have respect toward my contribution, then you should know that is all my responsibility not Red Harvest serious answers to my requests, if there was so much “historical posts” at the end of a thread about cost structure of warships.

It wasn’t a derail from my POV, it was the next logical objection that cost structure have to defend against. The maths were good, so the only other rational way to keep OOB cost was historical accuracy.

I thought the “Cost structure” threads was meant to convince a large audience of the virtue of G40e cost structure over OOB.

Red Harvest was clearly advocating “the historical issue” and have far more resources and background than I to bring facts and the POV of more “historical accuracy fans of A&A”. For me it was a clear chance since he was open to discuss it further.

It was also an opportunity to test if G40e was able to meet this challenge of historical representation or not.

I didn’t get how far you was exceed.
I would have ask at least a few posts to close the arguments or to start a new threads on that specific critics of G40e cost structure.

It seems that the survival of this particular feces flinging thread is more important to RH than proving IL wrong… interesting.

If you remove this thread Red Harvest, we’ll all say you’re right and sing Christmas carols.

Somebody should just fry up some bacon

Ok let me try this trick.

You are not allowed to delete the first post in a topic.

If you want to delete this topic, click on the Remove Topic link, or ask a moderator/administrator to do it for you.

Harvest: the only way you removed the thread was having a Moderator do it for you. Just like i said before.

If you can do that…can you remove a persons account too?

Check on that.

if you can do anything on that level, this site is bonkers.

Hello friends

As I was part of the dicussion in the now deleted thread, here some thought and opinions from me.

First:
@Uncrustable:

The thread was unilaterally my creation.

No it wasn’t. You may have started the thread, but the thread contained a discussion of several people and only one of them was you. And it was their discussion as well as yours.

Second:
I think it’s not a good function, that the creator can arbitrarily delete the whole thread without any warnings or moderator. He should be able to close the thread, after which he will slowly fade into the limbo of old threads. But in that case, the old posts would still be there and could be quoted. I’m quite sure neither the moderators nor the operator of this forum can change the software to forbid the thread creator the complete annihilation of any thread he started.

Third:
@MrRoboto:

Some of the posts deleted were incredibly insightful.
The posts made by KionAAA contained one of the most in-depths-analysis and one of the most sophisticated mathematics I’ve seen on this forum.

@Baron:

He helped me thinks further deeper, and the maths was very original […]

Thank you for the praise blush
I’m working on a thread on my own with some mathematical backgrounds regarding unit strength, so it won’t be hidden in some thread about (just the) naval units.

Forth:
@Uncrustable:

Somebody should just fry up some bacon

Someone should always fry up some bacon, independent from context.

see you around
Kion

@KionAAA:

Hello friends

As I was part of the dicussion in the now deleted thread, here some thought and opinions from me.

First:
@Uncrustable:

The thread was unilaterally my creation.

No it wasn’t. You may have started the thread, but the thread contained a discussion of several people and only one of them was you. And it was their discussion as well as yours.

That was meant to be a joke for Red :P
Sarcasm*

@Uncrustable:

@KionAAA:

Hello friends

As I was part of the dicussion in the now deleted thread, here some thought and opinions from me.

First:
@Uncrustable:

The thread was unilaterally my creation.

No it wasn’t. You may have started the thread, but the thread contained a discussion of several people and only one of them was you. And it was their discussion as well as yours.

That was meant to be a joke for Red :P
Sarcasm*

That’s the problem with sarcasm or irony,
we cannot ear the tone of the voice in the comments in a forum, like it is in a face to face conversation.

And I think that sarcasm or irony with an emotikon, is no longer irony…

What a cunundrum…

@Red:

IL has posted on the fix.

@Imperious:

OK the problem is mostly fixed. The OP at this time can only lock but not remove topics. Never again can this crap happen.

Djensen will remove the lock topic button soon and get us those badges “customizer”

The “remove topic” tab has disappeared for me in this thread.�  I’m not sure where the lock feature is, it might be in progress.�  EDIT:�  Ah, the lock topic was only to be temporary until it was removed.

And that my friends is why it is important to suggest fixes when problems become apparent.

I agree.

Thanks for you investment of time on this forum. And leading this topic on this specific problem.

Thanks also to IL and Djensen which are correcting this issue. And all the others for your participation on this thread.

I would just add:
Serenity prayer is not a prayer for immobility.

There is two part in it: things which cannot change and things that can change.

Glad to see this issue belongs to the second part.

Unfortunately, with the remove topic option gone, this particular thread will be around forever.

Well perhaps… the moderator can remove it, but their must be a reason.

@Imperious:

Well perhaps… the moderator can remove it, but their must be a reason.

How about the fact that new conscripts will come to this thread and see many members arguing about the problems of this site? Leaving this thread up only makes A&A.org look bad to new members. Besides, if anything it should be moved… it has nothing to do with G40.