Americas fleet attacks Germany

@Panther

Yep…

I kind of think its crazy to leave the UK with large expensive THREE capital ships that you could easily sink and only lose your subs and maybe a plane or the battleship.  At the very least I can see the value in trying to do the battleship retreat.

If you really wanted to convoy UK into oblivion, I’d plan on Barbarossa G3 or G4… buy the G1 bomber and carrier.  Kill as much fleet as you can, retreat the German battleship if there is only 1 UK ship.  2 subs at Canada, ignore cruiser down south… G2 buy depends on if the battleship is alive but you need a destroyer and bombers and 2 or more subs.  1 sub is for sz 125, the destroyer for the Russians, 1+ sub joins the bombers in killing anything at Gibraltor.

I’d also consider taking S. France on G1 so on G2 you can build a carrier and transport there, which protects the Italian fleet and can help out with ground forces.  Puts more pressure on UK in Africa to push their spending all over, not concentrated.

By G3 you’ve got an idea whether you can get away with convoy sz 109.  Maybe the German carrier heads north after turn 3 if Italy gets things under control quickly.

Or if things don’t go Italy’s way, they can buy subs to hit things off Gibraltor, too.

Very late to the party here but I don’t think I’ve ever seen a J4 take down of India in about 200 games played. I can’t see the model which allows it. If you miss the J3 window, which the allies might be able to close with a UK1 Burma stack, you’re talking about a J5 attack, assuming a J1 DOW. J5 all the Japanese coastal troops from Jehol to Kwangsi are in range walking overland. That’ll kill anyone barring ridiculous dice or Axis stuff ups.

I’m not completely sure of the distinction between J3 and J4 other than 2-3 extra inf on India but maybe that small number of inf really does change things. Probably does given that you’re normally losing planes to take India down J3 if it isn’t evacuated.

With that in mind sz109 might be the best staging point for Royal Navy if the RAF is strong, they can scramble up to 6 fighters there.  Never considered that before.

Darn it - someone has correctly pointed out that the bombers in central US could hit z109 but they could not hit z110!

So I recalculated a couple of these and adding 1 carrier with 2 fighters landed on it gets the odds of an Allies win down from 100% to 70.2%; adding 2 carriers with 3 fig and 1 tac gets it down to 7.1%.  So it seems that 2 carriers would probably do the job most of the time, but that’s still an awful lot for Germany to spend.

Apologies for my oversight.

@cts17:

The Germans must get past the British fleet before they can conduct Sealion, people.

Before you rant at me and call me retarded by saying the Brits have no fleet, consider this:

It’s because you never built one.

If they build one, Germans go around the island and land in UK from Z109. Since you bought a fleet, there is little opposition on the island

I am all for sinking the UK fleet on G1 and build the Aircraft Carrier.  Then mostly I threaten to sink the rebuilt Royal Navy and Americans.  My Germany never wants to spend another dollar in the Atlantic.

Sometimes them darned Brits do something silly and entice me into taking London even though we would rather kill Russians and capture Russian territories.

Maybe not killing the British Battleships makes it more likely England will do something silly like build tanks in South Africa UK1.  I would rather not deal with all them UK boats that quickly.

@anderb:

attackung true neutrals is plain stupid. best way to lose a game.

:-D

mine was only a question of “if I were to attack as I do …” neutral attack is inconvenient for both sides, especially because the axis has no men to cover additional fronts … this is clear.