Operation Dark Skies JamesAleman(axis) vs Allweneedislove

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 10

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 10

Purchase Units - Italians
            Italians buy 1 bomber, 1 destroyer and 2 mech_infantrys; Remaining resources: 1 PUs;

Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber and 2 fighters moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 mech_infantrys moved from Western Germany to Normandy Bordeaux
            2 fighters moved from Southern Italy to 97 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 95 Sea Zone to 97 Sea Zone

Combat - Italians
            Battle in 97 Sea Zone
                Italians attack with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters
                British defend with 1 submarine
                Italians win with 1 destroyer and 2 fighters remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for British: 1 submarine
            Battle in Normandy Bordeaux
                Italians attack with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys
                British defend with 1 artillery, 1 factory_minor, 1 harbour and 1 infantry
                Italians win, taking Normandy Bordeaux from British with 1 bomber, 2 fighters and 2 mech_infantrys remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7
                Casualties for British: 1 artillery and 1 infantry

Non Combat Move - Italians
            1 bomber moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from Normandy Bordeaux to Western Germany
            2 fighters moved from 97 Sea Zone to Southern Italy
            1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
            3 artilleries moved from Bryansk to Rostov
            1 mech_infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Rostov
            1 armour moved from Russia to Volgograd
            1 infantry moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany
            1 aaGun moved from Northern Italy to Western Germany

Place Units - Italians
            1 destroyer placed in 95 Sea Zone
            1 bomber and 2 mech_infantrys placed in Southern Italy

Turn Complete - Italians
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 105 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,3
            Italians collect 22 PUs (2 lost to blockades); end with 23 PUs total
            Objective Italians 1 Control The Mediterranean: Italians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 28 PUs

It’s getting fun now ;)

if you want to intercept with USA ftrs just roll on the forum, ignore last aaroll and bomber roll on base. If more hit,  proceed from back to front in german rolls. Then add PUs for repair.

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 11

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 6 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Holland Belgium
            11 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            4 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 11

Politics - Germans

Purchase Units - Germans
            Germans buy 2 artilleries, 1 bomber, 6 infantry, 6 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers; Remaining resources: 0 PUs;

Combat Move - Germans
            2 infantry moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            1 fighter moved from Germany to Holland Belgium
            11 fighters and 4 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Holland Belgium
            4 bombers moved from Western Germany to United Kingdom

Combat - Germans
            Battle in Holland Belgium
                Germans attack with 12 fighters, 2 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers
                British defend with 1 infantry
                Germans win, taking Holland Belgium from British with 12 fighters, 1 infantry and 4 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
                Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
                Casualties for British: 1 infantry
            Air Battle in United Kingdom
                Germans attacks with 4 units heading to United Kingdom
                Air Battle is over, the remaining bombers go on to their targets
            Strategic bombing raid in United Kingdom
                1 bomber killed by AA
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 7,6 and causes: 13 damage to unit: factory_major
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom rolls: 8 and causes: 4 damage to unit: harbour
                Bombing raid in United Kingdom causes 17 damage total.  Damaged units is as follows: factory_major = 13, harbour = 4
            Cleaning up after air battles

Non Combat Move - Germans
            1 mech_infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Evenkiyskiy
            1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Russia to Samara
            3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
            1 aaGun moved from Volgograd to Rostov
            3 mech_infantrys moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
            1 aaGun moved from Caucasus to Volgograd
            1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Bryansk
            1 transport moved from 114 Sea Zone to 115 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from Novgorod to 115 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 115 Sea Zone to Finland
            6 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Germany
            2 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Germany
            1 infantry moved from Denmark to Western Germany
            4 tactical_bombers moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            4 fighters moved from Holland Belgium to Western Germany
            3 bombers moved from United Kingdom to Western Germany

Place Units - Germans
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Volgograd
            1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Russia
            3 mech_infantrys placed in Ukraine
            1 bomber, 3 mech_infantrys and 2 tactical_bombers placed in Western Germany
            2 infantry placed in Novgorod
            Germans undo move 5.
            2 infantry placed in Germany

Turn Complete - Germans
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 1
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 93 Sea Zone. Rolls: 4,5
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 99 Sea Zone. Rolls: 5,1
            Germans collect 58 PUs (1 lost to blockades); end with 58 PUs total
            Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 63 PUs
            Objective Germans 3 Control Caucasus: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 68 PUs
            Objective Germans 2 Control Novgorod Or Volgograd Or Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 15 PUs; end with 83 PUs

If you scramble, the bomber shot down by aa would die first, second take off naval, third take off last factory roll

@allweneedislove:

@JamesAleman:

If you scramble, the bomber shot down by aa would die first, second take off naval, third take off last factory roll

i would have intercepted. i do not really understand your instructions. are you saying that i should roll the intercept battle on the forum, but you want to keep the damage you already rolled?

I’m saying if you want to intercept, the dice are rolled, so it is a simple matter of ignoring the last dice rolled if you hit any bombers, I’ll roll the intercept battle for you and edit the map. Just trying to save time.

3 USA fighters
Rolls: 3@1; Total Hits: 13@1: (1, 2, 5)

4 German Bombers
Rolls: 4@1; Total Hits: 14@1: (5, 2, 2, 1)

We both hit 1 air unit, So I’ll remove a German bomber and USA fighter. Intercept occurs before aagun rolls, since there are 3 bombers for raiding, and the dice rolled for the first 3 bombers were misses, nothing else is changed. This just saves time, if there is any advantage, it is for you since you get to see what I rolled for damage. I don’t mind and it speeds up game play, but if you prefer I wait, I shall from now on.

TripleA Move Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 11

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese repair 4 damage on 4 harbours; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 28 PUs;
            Japanese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 19 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            4 bombers moved from Japan to 26 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Japan to British Columbia
            1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                  Japanese take 20 Sea Zone from Americans
            4 carriers moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 20 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Formosa to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia
                  Japanese take Siberia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Timguska to Evenkiyskiy

TripleA Turn Summary for game: World War II Global 1940 2nd Edition, version: 3.6

Game History

Round: 11

Purchase Units - Japanese
            Japanese repair 4 damage on 4 harbours; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 28 PUs;
            Japanese buy 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 6 SuicideAttackTokens; 19 PUs;

Combat Move - Japanese
            2 submarines moved from 6 Sea Zone to 26 Sea Zone
            4 bombers moved from Japan to 26 Sea Zone
            1 bomber moved from Japan to British Columbia
            1 submarine moved from 37 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 destroyer moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
                  Japanese take 20 Sea Zone from Americans
            4 carriers moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 34 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Paulau Island to 34 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 34 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 35 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 fighter and 1 tactical_bomber moved from 20 Sea Zone to 35 Sea Zone
            2 fighters moved from 20 Sea Zone to Philippines
            1 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            4 infantry moved from Kwangtung to 20 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from Formosa to 20 Sea Zone
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 41 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 42 Sea Zone
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            2 infantry and 1 transport moved from 20 Sea Zone to 44 Sea Zone
            2 infantry moved from 44 Sea Zone to Celebes
            1 infantry moved from 42 Sea Zone to Java
            1 infantry moved from 41 Sea Zone to Sumatra
            1 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia
                  Japanese take Siberia from Russians
            1 infantry moved from Timguska to Evenkiyskiy

Combat - Japanese
            Battle in Java
            Battle in Celebes
            Battle in Sumatra
            Battle in British Columbia
                Japanese attack with 1 bomber
                Americans defend with 1 mech_infantry
                British win, taking Java from ANZAC, taking Celebes from UK_Pacific, taking Sumatra from UK_Pacific with no units remaining. Battle score for attacker is -8
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber
                Casualties for Americans: 1 mech_infantry
            Battle in 35 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 4 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport
                Americans defend with 1 submarine
                Japanese win, taking 35 Sea Zone from Americans with 4 carriers, 1 destroyer, 1 fighter, 1 submarine, 1 tactical_bomber and 1 transport remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
                Casualties for Americans: 1 submarine
            Battle in Philippines
                Japanese attack with 4 fighters, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
                Americans defend with 1 airfield, 1 harbour and 2 infantry
                Japanese win, taking Philippines from Americans with 4 fighters, 1 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 infantry
                Casualties for Americans: 2 infantry
            Battle in 26 Sea Zone
                Japanese attack with 4 bombers and 2 submarines
                ANZAC defend with 1 transport; Americans defend with 5 destroyers and 1 submarine
                1 submarine owned by the Americans Submerged
                Japanese win with 3 bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 23
                Casualties for Japanese: 1 bomber and 2 submarines
                Casualties for ANZAC: 1 transport
                Casualties for Americans: 5 destroyers

Non Combat Move - Japanese
            3 bombers moved from 26 Sea Zone to Marshall Islands
            4 fighters moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            2 tactical_bombers moved from Philippines to 35 Sea Zone
            1 aaGun and 4 infantry moved from Manchuria to Korea

Place Units - Japanese
            3 infantry placed in Korea

Turn Complete - Japanese
            Total Cost from Convoy Blockades: 7
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 19 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,2
                Rolling for Convoy Blockade Damage in 6 Sea Zone. Rolls: 2,4,2,4
            Japanese collect 30 PUs (7 lost to blockades); end with 49 PUs total

I didn’t submerge your USA sub in Hawaii’s sea zone to save time and give you the best outcome. If you would have submerged, just ignore your sub’s first shot hit, and add a Japanese bomber on the island stack. As it turned out, my subs never hit, so it didn’t matter. Your sub is still alive.

OOL if you hit Philippines sea zone with USA and follow up with Anzac:
USA should be wiped out after first round(5 fighters =2, 3 tacs=1, 6 ships=2 rounding the sub up since ftrs and tacticals were rounded down), if they hit twice with 4 subs and hit once with a bomber, apply sub hit to my sub, second hit to my carrier, third hit to another carrier. If you only hit once, damage a carrier. If you hit twice damage 2 carriers, as I will use the sub against Anzac’s units. If you hit 4 or 5 times, oh well; Remove up to 2 damaged carriers.

If it takes me 6 combat rounds to kill USA units, keep removing planes until I am left with 4, then start sinking damaged carriers, then remove another carrier (2 hits), then 2 more planes, then another carrier, then destroyer and last 2 planes and I will surrender  :-D

OOL against Anzac: Scramble 3 air units assuming 2 carriers were damaged. (1 ftr, 2 tacticals).( Scramble 2 air units if only 1 carrier is damaged). That should leave me with 5 fighters, 2-3 tacs, 2 carriers, 2 damaged carriers, and a dd vs Anzac forces of 5 Destroyers and potentially 2 fighters. If that is not the case, consult me.

Anzac should hit 3 times, so damage two carriers, remove 1 tactical bomber(or sub if alive), Japan should hit 5-6 times. So assuming 5 hits the 2 anzac fighters can hit me one more time, so remove 1 tactical bomber. Basically, damage my two carriers, then remove sub, then air units (tacticals first) until Anzac cries “uncle”.

Also, target each anzac destroyer with a Kamikaze please, That should get one if not 2 of them to help out.

Hey there,

I followed the entire game as well as the bomber thread. I cannot pride myself of being super experienced but I hope I gathered quite an understanding of that game.

there are a lot of things I do not understand on both sides:

Axis: First of all, I agree that bombers are very strong and that their threats force US/UK to invest a lot in destroyers/Carries to save the fleet. Furthermore the range is really sick, however

@Axis: I really have the feeling that your overall gameplan has major flaws.
General strategy: To be A&A is an eco game. The asymmetry is that axis starts with an abundance of units and allies with an abundance of income. It is the take of Axis to turn the advantage in troops as good as possible to at least equalize the income. The degree how well Axis manages this decides the game.

Your gameplan does not work because it neglects the idea of overpowering the allies in income. You give up Italy for free and keeping them alive with income which Germany should have: Means: You must take the income from UK/FR NOT from Germany.
Your game is strategically lost since already 5 turns as you did not manage to equalize the income.
How do you want to win? You do not increase the pressure in NE Persia signifcantly, you are behind in income. Allies already have more units in the map, the balance will move more and more towards the Allies the longer the game takes.

Bomber strategy: I think there is no need to build bomber in Ger1/2, the simple reason is: You plan to take Moscow R5 –> Mechinf and Tanks you build Ger1/2 will be there in time and are way more cost efficient.
You switch to bombers R3 for two reasons: Hit Moscow R5 and threaten any british idea of a fleet R4. R4 bombers have the one and only reason that it is the only chance to hit Moscow R5 with an R4 build --> You maximize that attack power on Moscow

Your micro management: I guess you will argue of playing sloppily because you think it does not matter. But there are tons of simple moves where you just waste IPCs. Ger1 on sub could have attacked DD and TT in Canada and moved to SZ 124 instead –> You could have killed 15 IPs + potential convoy raid instead you go to the slaughterhouse vs one DD in defend mode.

• You could have easily sent the entire UK fleet in Ger1 to the ground of the ocean (except DD and TT SZ 109), in many case you BS even survives
• You should have sent the UK med fleet to the ground with German and not allowing the FR fleet to escape. You were even blessed with the miracle that IT that DD and TT survived both in SZ96 (2% chance)
• You waste IT inf in northern Africa by sending them next to the Egypt stack allowing to be snipered by 1 Inf + Air twice
• I cannot believe you allowed UK to take greece and even Romania and co. Greece is supposed to be taken by IT (reserving Bulgaria R1 for IT and taking it IT2) --> You could have easily managed to meet the NO worth 5 IPC (Greece, southern France, gib)
  and and and…

Japan:

• I cannot believe you did not even take Phillipines and money islands in J3, you just gave US 7 IPs times 8 = 56 IPCs total by allowing US to keep Phillipines from Turn 3-10
• You allowed the RU stack to destroy 11 or so ground units in a +IPC battle for RU. Units you desperately need to maintain pressure on the land.

The thing is: Playing Japan like that allows UK pacific to relax and send Inf towards Egypt. You even allow Anzac to support around the globe.

There is also a lot of things I do not understand about the Allies gameplan
@Allyouneed: I believe you are a great player, I hope you can answer my questions:

1. What was the idea behind the RU play to already abandon Moscow R4? Of course the situation is special by IT/Ger using “double moves” but: Couldn’t you have kept Moscow in R5 by simply doing the following:

• give of Leningrad early to allow units to hit Moscow RU4?
• Build less Art and more inf/mechinf
• Retreat earlier back to Bryansk to allow ALL units to retreat to Moscow? –> I am quite sure you would have held Moscow in R5 allowing you to produce 8-10 extra inf and delaying the extra income for Germany?

2. What is your idea behind you US strategy? How are you going to win? I understand that bombers create threads and that time plays in your favour, but why not establishing a flow of ground units to Europe? Why not taking e.g. Spain (accepting Turkey and Sweden to be additional income and troops for Ger) and move ground to Spain every turn? From there you also threaten Italy.

• Why did you sacrifice both US and Anzac fleet?
• Why did you allow JP to take all the money islands?
• What is your plan with the Bombers?

I have to say I never had a game like that and I know you have tons of experience. I am sure I am missing something but so far I do not get it:)

So far in general I miss your winning plan. But as I said before, maybe you just need to keep the balance between your fleet and the German Luftwaffe, time will do the rest for you:)

I am excited to see how the game ends, but I cannot see anything other but a victory of Allies - while I have to say the chance were even higher before wasting the fleet (but maybe it was not a waste and I just lack imagination^^)

Cheers!