The UK beast

@italiansarecoming:

Germany builds transports and a supporting navy. Great Britian builds a few inf in London and naval build. France doesn’t feel threatened and Russia is relaxing.

Sea Lion wasn’t even considered possible in ww1. The Germans figured if they got Paris the war was over literally. I don’t see it being a viable strategy. Though late game I could see it happening instead of going for Paris. It’d shock the allies I Bet

Except that the Ottomans are not threatened at all and can put pressure on the Russians.  I’m not saying it would work, but where’s the harm in trying it.  Not sure how what was thought to be possible in the actual war is remotely relavent here.

Amphib assault is more difficult in 1914 than other A&A due to A) mines, B) unlimited production in capital and C) the fact that there is no SBR in 1914. You cannot reduce production using bombers on the turns leading up to your assault

If Germany attacks Britian in force and the Autobots attack russia, what does Austria do?
If Austria does not go all west, then the entire western front is screwed vs Italy and France
If Austria does not help the Turks significantly they will be overwhelmed by Russia

@Uncrustable:

Amphib assault is more difficult in 1914 than other A&A due to A) mines, B) unlimited production in capital and C) the fact that there is no SBR in 1914. You cannot reduce production using bombers on the turns leading up to your assault

If Germany attacks Britian in force and the Autobots attack russia, what does Austria do?
If Austria does not go all west, then the entire western front is screwed vs Italy and France
If Austria does not help the Turks significantly they will be overwhelmed by Russia

Is this based on actual gameplay or what you think will happen.  A) move the transports to SZ 9 empty, B) you don’t have to AA London, Yorkshire and Scotland are other options (this isn’t unique to the UK though, so not really a valid argument. C) not seeing the relevance here, you can’t SBR Paris either before attacking it.

I don’t have any answers to your remaining questions, I haven’t tried it yet.

SBR is critical to a success full seal lion on G2 in global 40

Your not so worried about SBRing capitals before land assaults because your not wasting money (tons of it) on transports and their escorts

If you buy a bunch if navy and all you can take are some low IPC tt surrounding Britian, then fail lol
It’s pretty much take London or gg once you blow that much money on transports and a fleet big enough to protect them

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I honestly don’t see a viable early sealion

I dont see a sealion period. If you have the luxury of trying it later in the game then you probably already have Paris and then ou should also have Rome or Moscow!

@Uncrustable:

SBR is critical to a success full seal lion on G2 in global 40

Your not so worried about SBRing capitals before land assaults because your not wasting money (tons of it) on transports and their escorts

If you buy a bunch if navy and all you can take are some low IPC tt surrounding Britian, then fail lol
It’s pretty much take London or gg once you blow that much money on transports and a fleet big enough to protect them

I never said to not take London, just that you can assault it from Yorkshire.  Also, where is the harm in trying it?  These aren’t real people you are killing off, if it doesn’t work then who cares.  I have no idea why some of you guys are so quick to just shoot down ideas without even trying it.

The Idea is to win the game. You can’t win a game with early sea lion. Also in G40 an early sealion which was in Germany’s favour did not mean a win against the Allies

@italiansarecoming:

The Idea is to win the game. You can’t win a game with early sea lion. Also in G40 an early sealion which was in Germany’s favour did not mean a win against the Allies

What were your results when you attempted?  What did do you specifically?

One of the problems Germany faces is that the UK starts with 15 inf and canons in England. To counter that Ger needs at least 8 transport ships.
I think Sealion is impossible, but building a few transports will constantly threaten the UK to keep enough troops in England. Plus they can help to conquer russian territory and help transport german troops from the eastern front to Kiel (which is closer to the western front than they get by foot) in one turn. I would keep the number of transports limited to 3 or so.

You don’t have to AA directly, Yorkshire and Scotland are options as well and then march them south.  You also don’t have to transport your entire invasion force in one turn.  You can land in Scotland without even worrying about mines.  Killing France fast is also impossible, but it doesn’t stop people from trying that.

@Texas:

You don’t have to AA directly, Yorkshire and Scotland are options as well and then march them south.  You also don’t have to transport your entire invasion force in one turn.  You can land in Scotland without even worrying about mines.  Killing France fast is also impossible, but it doesn’t stop people from trying that.

yes I’ve also thought of that. the bitching part is you need a second wave of transports to send in reinforcements. I think this may harress the british seriously (certainly of you take in Ireland), but taking London will be a bridge too far i’m afraid. But i’ll certainly give it a try. How many transports do you have in mind?

To be honest, I haven’t had the chance to plan it out that far, still working out the details of keeping the sea lanes clear.

I did once. You can land in Karelia G2 then land in Scotland G3. for that you need to buy 1 transport G1 and a BB and Sub. G2 you land in Karelia with transports and you attack the russian BB in G2 with a German BB and sub/cruiser. In G3 you can take some units from karelia and land in scotland. I would go for 2 or 4 transports. making a ‘chain’ of 2 transports bringing in reinforcements while the other 2 land units.

You can also use the transports to take Norway and Sweden.  That should help pay for transport purchase.

@Texas:

You can also use the transports to take Norway and Sweden.  That should help pay for transport purchase.

No no, Norway and Sweden thats 8 soldiers on each to kill (they’re 4IPC each right?), so you can expect 4 casualties per country, so the cost of taking them would be at least 12 ipc per country (4 x 3IPC for an inf). You would have to hold on to them at least 3 turns to gain profit from it.

@Cornwallis:

@Texas:

You can also use the transports to take Norway and Sweden.�  That should help pay for transport purchase.

No no, Norway and Sweden thats 8 soldiers on each to kill (they’re 4IPC each right?), so you can expect 4 casualties per country, so the cost of taking them would be at least 12 ipc per country (4 x 3IPC for an inf). You would have to hold on to them at least 3 turns to gain profit from it.

Well yeah, but I would bring tanks with me.  I wouldn’t do Sea Lion without tanks either.

@Texas:

@Cornwallis:

@Texas:

You can also use the transports to take Norway and Sweden.�  That should help pay for transport purchase.

No no, Norway and Sweden thats 8 soldiers on each to kill (they’re 4IPC each right?), so you can expect 4 casualties per country, so the cost of taking them would be at least 12 ipc per country (4 x 3IPC for an inf). You would have to hold on to them at least 3 turns to gain profit from it.

Well yeah, but I would bring tanks with me.  I wouldn’t do Sea Lion without tanks either.

Tanks don’t incassate a hit in a landing. Tanks come in from turn 4 so you take Norway or Sweden turn 5 at the earliest. If you take them this late, you must be going for an economic victory.

A neutral only stands up 1 artillery, so there is only a 50% shot of 1 hit on the landing.  The tanks will take of the hits during the normal round of combat.  The other territory would be taken by land so no landing to worry about there.

I’m not sure what you mean by an economic victory.  The cost of attacking in the early rounds is very high and this is why most are struggling with the CPs.  They feel that they have to get a bunch done before the Americans arrive.  This is strategy that carries over from WWII games.  The Allies are having so much success in this game due to the timing of when they go on the offensive, typically after tanks are introduced, which greatly reduce the cost of attacking.

economic victory is when the CP’s have more income than the Allies. So actually taking all the neutral countries (Denmark, Holland, Sweden, Norway). By controlling the  North Sea (and with your transports harressing the english coast) can you get more income than the Allies you guess?