UK barbarossa strategies

there is lots of different things allies can do that work. as long as you have africa thoughout the game, you have lots of options, it is required if you want to stand a chance .

It is a mistake to assume that just because G1 is Barbarossa, there is no threat of Sea Lion.

yeah you still have to buy infantry for uk. 10 or 11 transports can still take uk. germany still has to buy a destroyer at least… otherwise uk just buys subs to defend, which is funny since only naval can hit it 5 subs on defense vs a cruiser is hilarious.

Pretty simple: UKE fighters to Moscow, ASAP. Make Germany spend money and TIME on Moscow. Also HOLD CAIRO! HOLD THAT CITY.

UKP, US, ANZAC: KJF if Cairo is held to not have Japan hanging around and alive.

@Noll:

In the event that during G1 the german players builds all land units in order to push toward Russia, what would be the best UKL and UKP strategy?
And what would you do with USA?

First off, I would say this is a mistake regardless of your destination.

A) Why tell your enemy your plan?

B) Those transports are useful in both Barbarossa and Sea Lion

Round 1, Germany buys 10 Transports.  Is she going Sea Lion, or Barbarossa?  Odds are Sea Lion, so you have to think of how to counter it, but she could very well go Barbarossa and have the transports necessary to move 10-20 infantry a round into Russia through the Ost Sea (Baltic Sea).

Or she could still do Sea Lion.  This gives Germany the option of not declaring to the world what she wants to do, until she knows what she wants to do. eh?

@Cmdr:

Round 1, Germany buys 10 Transports.

Uh I’m assuming you meant Round 2.  :lol:

If you buy 10 transports and then go with Barbarossa, you’ll have an awfully uphill battle in Russia.
You’re 70 IPCs behind in the land race.  Tough.

Yes, sorry, round 2 buy 10 transports.

UK has to consider Germany buying 10 transports on Round 1 anyway.  Round 2 Germany may as well buy 10 transports.  So Round 3 is the earliest yoiu can think of anti-Barbarossa and by then, it should be too late for a complex in Egypt.

I’d say focus on building ground troops in S. Africa, just to push up and tie up Italian forces, and then beg the American player to help you out fleet wise in the Atlantic.

I don’t understand.
If you buy those transports on R2 and don’t get the payoff of Sealion, how will you deal with the Russia?
Sure, they won’t be able to stack up in Leningrad, but he doesn’t have to in order to make your life difficult.

UK can build in Cpr/Irq and Saf to pressure Italy.  A couple carrier from US would definitely help in the Atlantic fight.

The transports are an insurance policy against America.  America and England now have to consider a Sea Lion attack which denies then a complex in Egypt and troops in S. Africa for a while.  Meanwhile, Germany’s going to need those blasted transports anyway, at least now it’s done and over with.  They can end run around the Russians meaning the Russians have to hold back to boot.

Let me say it a different way.  Round 1 and Round 2 go as if Sea Lion for Germany.  I don’t care if you want to do Sea Lion or not, this will endeavor to keep the allies guessing as to your intentions.

I agree that it would pressure UK heavily.  UK will have to turtle longer than normal.

But you’re assuming Germany would need to build those transports either way.
I have no idea why you’re making that assumption.
You do that and Russia’s already beating you in the land war.
I don’t see how you can counter a Russian stack in East Poland.

If you buy 10 transports on G2, I won’t be “guessing” at all.  I’m going to assume you’re going for a Sealion.  If you choose to switch gears, that’s even better for me.
London is still Allied, and you don’t get the Sealion payoff.

Alsch:

Yes, I think Germany needs the transports anyway.  For the following:

1. You CAN land in England, if he doesnt defend.
2. You can land in Africa if needed.
3. You can land all along the Russian northern border both from teh Arctic Ocean and the Baltic Sea

Noll:

If Germany buys, for instance, 10 infantry, I buy a complex in Egpyt and start turtling all my forces there as best I can, using S. Africa to augment the Indian fleet.

Note Germany can still Sea Lion if they do a 10 Inf purchase on G1.

G3 Sea Lion just consists of 8 TT (1 Starting + 7 purchased + 1 CV purchased).

If UK1 doesn’t put Inf out on London, you can still Sea Lion effectively.  Particularly with a very strong SBR on G2.  I’ve done it.

So spending 12 IPC on a Minor in Egypt and putting 10-12 IPC in S.Africa sets you up for it.

Even with G2 ending with 8 TT, thats 8 Inf and some combination of Arm/Art that can land in Archangel or Nov on G3 if the UK went defensive.

Combined with an attack on G3 from Poland on the Baltics (Supported with Arm from the French Invasion) you can have solid stacks on G3 that end up in the Baltics and Arch, effectively surrounding Leningrad for G4.  Just so happens if Leningrad falls to Germany on G4, the Japs can land their entire air Force on Leningrad on J4 (need AB at Suiy).  Thats not a pretty sight for the Russians.