Experimental Alpha 4 Game - Wrongway Corrigan vs. Noll

It could be tough on Russia.  We should play test that.

In this set up, Russia is more likely to get the Archangel bonus, not that that’s a game changer necessarily.

As you’ve started to do in the other game, it is more likely in this set up that UK can get troops into Novgorod the way they did in classic, thru the scotland to novgorod passage directly.

Let’s give this playtest the same benefit of the doubt we give the standard set up.

also in a game where the germans can’t just crush the english navy, I think that germany is going to have a hard time rushing into moscow.

if anything actually, I believe that this set up is more favorable to the allies than the axis, at least relative to the latest alpha 3.

With USA able to DOW on their collect income of R8?

Incidentally, I probably was going to attack with Japan on R8 anyway, so the net impact is mainly just that you don’t get your war income R7.

If it can be proved that a Japan-Italy-Germany rush on Moscow breaks this alternative set up, then I would propose that a Japan DOW against Russia brings the USA into the war.  Actually it’s always kind of bothered me that Japan could attack and not automatically bring the UK against them automatically.  Whoever heard of being in a war where your ally was attacked and you didn’t go to war with the people that attacked them?

If Germany and Italy can still rush Moscow and win all the time, I would probably propose additional convoy NOs to balance (Siberia, Middle East etc)

@Noll:

Wait so you mean at the END of round8?
I thought it was like the regular game, US in reality declares war at round4, but collects his wartime income at the end of round3, isn’t it?

The current rule actually states that the USA declares war during their collect income phase of R3.  Not that they declare war on R4.

Did we agree that a Japanese DOW against the USSR, would allow USSR to DOW against Germany and Italy?

I like this but I also recognize that this is going to produce a longer game then most people want.

Every version of axis and allies that I am aware of made the crushing of the UK’s fleet part of the standard German opening.  Changing that is major and for the good, but I am not yet sure that it is not unbalancing.

I really don’t know whether a fast attack on Russia will produce an automatic victory or not.  Perhaps Japan should lose its peace NO when it DOWs against Russia.

You may try it, but I don’t see off hand that the attack thru turkey is more effective than the standard line of attack, other than you emphasize the oil objectives rather than the Novgorod objective.

I might still want to try the coordinated attack turns.  I would not allow Germany and Italy to use a combined turn until the end of the first round with Italy’s 1st and Germany’s 2nd turn.  This makes some historical sense since it’s my understanding that Italy did not enter the war until after Germany invaded France.

The new turn sequence would be

1.) Germany alone R1
2.) USSR
3.) Japan
4.) Democratic Allies
5.) Italy/Germany, then to USSR

In addition, I would like to modify the neutral rules:

1.) Friendly neutrals.  Instead of persuasion by invasion, try influencing them with ipcs.  Choose 1-5 ipcs per friendly neutral, roll a die, if it’s your investment or less, you’ve persuaded them to join your cause.  Can only persuade those in your sphere of influence.  For the USA, this is Brazil.  The UK gets all other allied friendly neutrals.  Germany gets all of the axis friendly neutrals.

2.) True Neutrals – the allies can’t invade them.  The axis can, but if they do, the allies get an automatic investment of 3 ipcs per round in each allied friendly or true neutral territory.  The allies can add up to an additional 2 ipcs each round, but they can never automatically persuade a neutral by making an investment total of 6 ipcs.

Consider making a Japanese invasion of the USSR grounds for a USA DOW.

Italy – Fall 1941
With 37 ipcs,
7 inf = 21
4 art = 16

Combat

Attack Iraq (2 inf 2 art) with
8 inf fr Syria
17 inf 2 tanks 2 mechs 4 art fr TJ
3 ftrs 2 tanks fr Egypt
AttackRolls: 23@1 8@2 7@3; Total Hits: 823@1: (5, 1, 6, 6, 1, 3, 3, 5, 2, 5, 4, 3, 2, 4, 5, 6, 3, 4, 1, 2, 6, 5, 3)8@2: (3, 1, 6, 2, 3, 1, 5, 5)7@3: (5, 5, 5, 5, 5, 1, 1)
DefendRolls: 4@2; Total Hits: 14@2: (4, 3, 6, 1)

Attack s france ( 1 inf ) with 2 inf fr n Italy, bmb fr Egypt

AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 02@1: (5, 2)1@4: (5)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)

Iraq taken with loss of 1 inf

Attack s france ( 1 inf ) with 2 inf fr n Italy, bmb fr Egypt

AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 12@1: (4, 5)1@4: (3)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)

Italy collects 39 less CRD on S France
CRDRolls: 2@3; Total Hits: 12@3: (1, 4)

Note that given the UK DOW against, it is not probable that I will not DOW against the USA.

Italy collects 38 ipcs

Germany with 53 ipcs,

11 inf = 33
5 art = 20

Combat

Attack Bessarabia ( 1 inf) with
2 inf fr e Poland
Bmb fr w Germany

AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 02@1: (3, 3)1@4: (6)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

Attack n ukr ( 1 inf) with
2 inf fr e Poland
Bmb fr w Germany

AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 12@1: (6, 5)1@4: (4)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)

Attack belarus ( 1 inf) with
2 inf fr e Poland
2 ftrs fr 115 w Germany

AttackRolls: 2@1 2@3; Total Hits: 22@1: (1, 4)2@3: (6, 3)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (6)

Attack Baltic states ( 1 inf) with
12 inf fr w Poland
36 inf, 22 art, 2 mechs, 9 tanks, fr e Poland
1 inf 1 art fr e Germany

BombardRolls: 1@3 1@4; Total Hits: 11@3: (6)1@4: (3)
attackRolls: 28@1 46@2 9@3; Total Hits: 2028@1: (2, 6, 4, 2, 3, 1, 5, 1, 1, 1, 3, 5, 4, 6, 2, 5, 3, 5, 4, 2, 5, 3, 5, 6, 3, 2, 6, 6)46@2: (2, 6, 3, 4, 5, 6, 5, 2, 1, 3, 3, 2, 3, 5, 1, 6, 5, 2, 5, 1, 6, 3, 3, 4, 5, 1, 4, 1, 3, 4, 1, 5, 3, 3, 2, 1, 3, 6, 3, 3, 2, 5, 4, 4, 4, 4)9@3: (4, 2, 6, 2, 3, 6, 4, 5, 4)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 11@2: (2)

Attack sz 93 ( 1 ss) with
1 dd fr 95, 2 ftr 2 tacs fr france

AttackRolls: 1@2 2@3 2@4; Total Hits: 31@2: (6)2@3: (2, 3)2@4: (2, 5)
DefendRolls: 1@1; Total Hits: 01@1: (3)

Attack Bessarabia ( 1 inf) with
2 inf fr e Poland
Bmb fr w Germany

AttackRolls: 2@1 1@4; Total Hits: 12@1: (6, 3)1@4: (1)
DefendRolls: 1@2; Total Hits: 01@2: (3)

N ukr taken with loss of 1 inf

Belarus taken without loss

Baltic states taken with loss of 1 inf

Sz 93 taken without loss

Italy collects 38 ipcs

Germany with 53 ipcs,

11 inf = 33
5 art = 20

Combat

Bessarabia taken without loss

N ukr taken with loss of 1 inf

Belarus taken without loss

Baltic states taken with loss of 1 inf

Sz 93 taken without loss

Germany collects 47 ipcs

Germany Winter 1941-42.AAM