Best UK defense for Sealion 3 or 4 collaboration

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    UK2

    What to do with UK Fleet.  Consolidate in sz91?

    UK2.AAM


  • I am not convinced that a a German player that has sea lion in mind, would let the barge in z106 live nor the Normandy fighter, in G1.


  • Well we’re definitely killing the fighter in Normandy, and we have a 1/3 chance of destroying the TT in 106.  We can’t really allocate any more subs to that fight with the G1 open we’re going with.

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    I don’t think you have been following this thread.

    Normandy was hit, and so was sz106.  All needed spaces were hit with best possible odds, and the likely outcomes were used.


  • I see. You assumed that the destroyed was sunk but not the transport.

    And the 4 fighters in the UK, at the end of their first turn include the one from gibraltar. When I saw one there, I thought it hadn’t moved, but it is the one from matla.

    My apologies, gentlemen.

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    When this has been followed through, I would then look at skipping sz111 on G1 in order to boost odds on sz106.

    (but I suspect that is a bad idea to leave the UK an extra BB and DD)


  • Wouldn’t it be better for UK troops in Egypt to withdrawn inside of Africa, instead of remaining in Egypt and get badly beat the next turn?

    They could overpower the 2inf and 1art, and regroup on the next turn with the 2 inf coming from SAF, in congo.

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    That’s my thinking.  I only moved the TTs and planes to reinforce London.  I didn’t do anything with the rest.  Waiting for input.

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    I would advocate hitting Iraq with 3 inf, 2 fht, 1 tac, 1 CA, 1 BB (assuming that Inidian units are properly placed - no reason to assume they are not.)

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    This as a final UK2?

    UK2a.AAM


  • @jim010:

    When this has been followed through, I would then look at skipping sz111 on G1 in order to boost odds on sz106.

    (but I suspect that is a bad idea to leave the UK an extra BB and DD)

    I am interested to see how that would play out.
    Also, do we want to later look at different outcomes of 106?  - with this scenario, that is -
    For example, the destruction of the TT would obviously remove the 1 Inf, 1 Arm on London.  But the convoy could scew a couple other things as well.  It would prevent UK from buying 2 Arm on UK2, and who know what on UK3.

    And I don’t think it’s practical to try everything, but the various subs that live G1 + surviving UK DDs would certainly also cause a few small opportunity changes.

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    Germany is more likely to live with more subs than UK is to live with that DD in sz106.

    If the sz106 ships are dead, and I got more subs than anticipated, I’d be quite concerned as UK.


  • One thing I noticed - why did you move the Inf in Yugo to Hungary, and not Southern Germany, as to be able to take part in a G4 Sealion?

    And with the 91 stack -
    If Italy plays differently and has TT in range of Gibraltar, then it might not be quite as good for UK.  Germany could nuke the fleet, land in Gib, and be able to hit UK (landing in Scotland) on G4 with all its air still.
    The way Italy is here, though, it seems fine to me.


  • @jim010:

    This as a final UK2?

    You have my approval. For what it is worth.


  • Yeah, seems good.  Just remember that UK won’t get its NO.


  • Craptacular.  Well i had a post typed out but I guess I was too slow cause I got timed out.  So glad we have such impressive protection at this sight, I would be sooooo upset if someone took over my forum account and posted things……(Sarcasm)

    Just going to hit the highlights then.

    I like the Scotland move for Germ.  They cannot take it safely, and so this response means their in position to hit london next turn from 2 different szs.  You can only take Scotland if the UK player is not prepared.

    We need to figure out what to do with the UK fleet.  split them to guard the coast? Take away the bombard and perhaps a few aircraft.  Or put them in sz 104 so they can counter the Germ fleet after the fall of London.


  • Regardless of a weird German move, if you make a normal German landing on Scotland, is there merit to landing a German AA gun there?


  • I think it’d be a good idea if it’s done on G3.  The attack and retreat that Jim mentioned a few posts back probably would not get attempted against the Scotland stack if it contained an AA gun.


  • Right, it just cannot be done against a prepared UK on G2.  Germ cannot defend both fleets and if it tries might find itself out of position to even invade London G3.  Best to wait and increase your trn load to 13.


  • Thinking about hitting Scotland on G3 -

    The fleet is very vulnerable in 111, and can’t afford to split in order to block the 91 fleet.
    Therefore we have to hit Gib with Italy on I2, and thus must leave at least 1 TT in range of Gib.
    Without the 91 fleet being able to hit 111, UK putting 5 Fig, 1 Tac against the German fleet is too risky for UK to try.
    We might want to rethink I1, and maybe UK2 because of this.

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