How is the balance with the new Alpha 2 changes? Please give your view.

The Allies won last nite. Some bad opening rolls for Germany didnt help, everybody had their fair share of them. It came down to Japan getting weaker and weaker after round 8 or so,  and buy 20 there was just no way. 
  A few key battles with better rolls on one side or the other would have changed the outcome
  A very good game back and forth
  ALPHA+3 ???  I CANT WAIT !!!

Since Alpha + 3 won’t be released as soon as expected, i will try to contribute to this thread with my game play report .

Before i get to start, i just want to point out something : i’m a noob to play by forum, just started a few weeks ago in here, but been playing intensively since then. I see myself as an average player, nothing more (or maybe slightly above average, well i hope so anyway  :-D).

With few words, this is what happens in my games with that Kill Japan First strat that has been presented by Cmdr Jennifer : Japan gets crushed. That’s a fact. I won’t even try to deny it.

But on the europe theater, Germany ALONE is able to patiently build a stack and push into Russia to the point where when finally US decide to swing to Europe theater, it is usually too late to save Russia, and once moscou falls, there is no taking it back. Ever.

Here are 7 links to my finished games on this site.

1-  http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23096.165

2-  http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23122.0

3-  http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23384.0

4-  http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23428.0

5-  http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23662.0

6-  http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23589.0

7-  http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=23174.0

I was Axis on 5 of these 7 games. My only loss comes from a Kill italy first strategy (game 2) where my oponent found himself incapable of cracking it and reversed to hammer Japan when Africa was too strongly holded by UK for the Italians to become a threat for a while. Germany has spent so much to protect the Italians that the Russian became a really too tough nut to crack.

On all the other games where i was Axis (game 1, 3, 4, 5) my oponent went for the Kill Japan First Strat, and while my Japan is really under heavy pressure, i’m doing well on the Europe theater.

Game 4, IMO, is interesting. We just have about all the components of the KJF strat underlined in this thread. Japan has finally been kicked off his precious sz6 and is completely dominated buy the allies (lol US has 12 bmb in the pacific), even if a big italian fleet is there to help. Russia has exactly the kind of stack we are talking about here : over 70 inf on the board, some art, 12 planes !! Still, i think that this game cannot be salvaged by the allies now. The german ofensive is just too powerful and will get rid fo Moscou within a few rounds.

Game 7: i was Allies and tryed myself the KJF strat. I must say : my oponent has totally outplayed me in the early rounds with superior positional play, and the salvage of this game was a miracle. I must not have played the KJF correctly i guess…

From home live games, i can say that our group hasn’t find either the KJF strat as strong as described in this thread, but i must admit we only tryed it twice in live games.

At my level of play, i can say this : CLEARLY, the KJF strat is not the most dangerous strat for the Axis from my gameplay experience.

My worst nightmare when i play Axis is this : an oponent who will spend at least 40% of his US income in the Atlantic each turn, starting round 2 AND stay in control in the pacific. And by staying in control i mean whatever it takes to just deny victory to Japan, not trying to be the big boss in the pacific.

Cheers !

I’m not opening the maps, but I can say that the neutralize Japan first strategies that fail all have one thing in common:

America buys transports.

America does not need transports!  You only need 4 ground units to take ALL OF THE PACIFIC!  You need warships!

I can also say that the only time the strategy almost fails before recovering is because America spends too much time in the DEI.  Screw the DEI!  Let Australia and England crack that nut, you need to bottle the Japs up in SZ 6!

In every case in which the Americans go in through the North or Central Pacific, the Neutralize Japan First strategy works by round 9 or 10, from that point on, Japan is not really playing anymore and America can focus on Africa which quickly falls!

Thanks for the links, Axisplaya.  Proof of play is what we need.

Cheers

Alpha 2 is fairly balanced. I feel that perhaps Italy should start with a few more ground units in Europe that may be used against Russia. Other than that, it seems to be fine.

You simply need to wait for new strategies to come out. In most games, Germany goes for a Sealion, or at least prepares for one. An all out attack on Russia is a far better strategy. Indeed, a good British player can even stop an attempted Sealion with a naval build. Yes, you read that right - a naval build. I hate it when British players buy stacks of infantry. They’re useless. They sit in London and do nothing. Build a navy to defeat the Germans.

If America commits entirely to Japan, Japan will fall. That’s the way it should be. There is too much going against Japan in that scenario for any balancing act to change. The problem with that is that Germany will win the game by herself. If she hits Moscow, and she will if America does not step in, then it is game over.

America has to be balanced. The fact that Cmdr Jennifer thinks that a KJF strat, even the northern route that doesn’t use transports, will work is pretty preposterous. Granted, I do agree that hers is the better version of most KJF strats I’ve seen and used, but you must build in the Atlantic too, or you’ve lost to Germany and Italy.

In response to the OP, Alpha 2 is balanced, with a few minor tweaks necessary. Particularly the Mediterranean and Japan’s income.

America should be penalized for not helping England.  The only possible way someone could claim that a country making more than 3 or 4 other countries COMBINED is balanced is if they have to play on two boards simultaneously.

Move 10 or 15 IPC worth of NOs to the Atlantic.  Now the playing field in the Pacific is even since either America will lose 60 to 90 IPC worth of units, or divert 60-90 IPC worth of units to the Atlantic to stop the losses.

In any event, if the game was “balanced” then the axis would win 50% of the time and the allies would win 50% of the time and there would be no “I win” button strategies, like American Pac-Strat.

All out attack on Russia?  That’s doomed to failure!  Now you dont even have the bonus cash for England AND you have British units being built!  How’s that a winning goal?  I can still keep you pesky, Germans at bay with Russia!  Only difference is, now I have British units landing in Normandy and Holland forcing you to divert units to kick them out again!

Ummm… a good British player won’t let Germany take her before G4 or G5 anyways… and then America is there, or Russia is too huge. How can Germany conduct a Sealion when she has to deal with the Royal Navy?

@cts17:

Ummm… a good British player won’t let Germany take her before G4 or G5 anyways… and then America is there, or Russia is too huge. How can Germany conduct a Sealion when she has to deal with the Royal Navy?

By making Russia weaker.

You sink the Royal navy, in its entirety, on Round 1, on Round 3 you take England.  Trick is stacking Scotland on Round 2, so you need less transports.  England either attacks the stack weakening London or does not attack the stacks, giving you more to hit them with. Either way, they lose.

You sink the entire Royal Navy fleet? In Alpha +2? That’s pushing it. What do you hit everything with? There are 6 different starting locations for the British fleet. You only have so many planes and subs…

SZ 106: Submarine
SZ 91: 2 Submarines
SZ 111: A bunch of planes, some submarines
SZ 112: warships and a plane
SZ 110: A bunch of planes, some submarines.

For the record:  I use no planes in France, only ground units.  When I am done with England, there is no fleet left in the Atlantic with the possible exception of SZ 106.

@Cmdr:

You sink the Royal navy, in its entirety, on Round 1, on Round 3 you take England.  Trick is stacking Scotland on Round 2, so you need less transports.  England either attacks the stack weakening London or does not attack the stacks, giving you more to hit them with. Either way, they lose.

This can be stopped.  You cannot take London G3 when UK defends properly against it.  You are not taking UK out.  And I’ll be happy to prove it.

@Cmdr:

SZ 106: Submarine
SZ 91: 2 Submarines
SZ 111: A bunch of planes, some submarines
SZ 112: warships and a plane
SZ 110: A bunch of planes, some submarines.

For the record:  I use no planes in France, only ground units.  When I am done with England, there is no fleet left in the Atlantic with the possible exception of SZ 106.

:?

You can’t hit the DD in sz109, and if you use the 2 sb to hit sz91, scrambling in sz110 becames a great idea.

If you scramble SZ 109, you don’t scramble SZ 110.

You didn’t hit 109 in your post, and I can use the fht in scotland.

And are you sendng any planes to Sit even?

S. Italy?  No.  I always have bad luck in SZ 97 regardless of what side I am on, I’m tired of losing half my air force for no tangible results because the dice gods hate me!

Besides, this way I have 11 aircraft to use against SZ 110 and SZ 111.  (I COULD hit SZ 109 instead of SZ 106, I suppose, but what’s the point?  Yer right, my opening doesn not include a punch at SZ 109, but that’s to do with scrambled fighters, not because I cannot.)

I COULD hit SZ 109 instead of SZ 106, I suppose, but what’s the point?

The point?  You are not killing The UK fleet in entirety, as it is not possible.  That TT lives to go back to Canada and get the inf and tank to London.

Then your opening runs a risk of losing 6 planes in sz110.  And you are also relying on luck that you get the DD and TT in sz106.

Assuming that you actually kill that TT, and that UK doesn’t get lucky in sz112 and you have the CA, then the BEST you can do against London on G3 is:

12 inf, 4 art, 8 tanks, 5 fht, 5 tac, 1 bmb

vs UK’s best

23 inf, 4 tanks, 7 fht, 1 tac

That’s 40% for Sealion.  If you don’t get the TT in sz106 (and 66% of the time you won’t) make it 22%.

If you land in Scotland with 6 inf, then you need to protect those 3 TTs from air attack from 6 fht, 1 tac if you place in sz111, 109 or 119.  Then your newly bought TTs will also need to be defended against thse planes in sz112 if you place them there.  Otherwise you place them in sz113 and you will need to defend there against 5 fht (even followed by a French fht) and even run the risk of being blocked.

Against a proper defense, you can’t do Sealion.  I’d be happy to play and prove it.

@jim010:

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That’s 40% for Sealion.  If you don’t get the TT in sz106 (and 66% of the time you won’t) make it 22%.

40%…

I know it’s probably hard to calculate, but… what would be the odds for Germany to do a succesful Sea-Lion after a failed first attempt?

You can just do as Cmdr Jen suggested, but land in Scotland on turn 3 instead and then hit turn 4.  The odds are very good, but you have emptied Europe to do it.

The only option for UK is to hit Scotland for 2 turns and retreat, and hopefully the odds will have dropped for Germany.