To take Caroline and place ur fleet in sz 51 in US3 cant work.
At that moment u need to block sz 60 and sz52 and defend against at least 10 fg. If succeded J kills sz 52+60 and moves to phil with at least 5 AC + 10 fg - it is J4 v a US pacific campaign!
I think this strategy is alrgiht as it is but when you go with a India IC as brittish and say forget the suprise and buy your boats first turn it works better. DarthMaximus has it right in my opinion. I understand the need for the mass fighter swap as you have it Corbeau Blanc but if you get attacked by subs because thats how i would go as Japs if i only see one destroyer it doesn’t matter how many planes you have if there is no carriers alive and the japs subs will set you back 2-3rounds. your block destroyer dies while you are at the carolines and if they go heavy subs you have to take boats as causulties when you make your philippines run. and if you don’t get the japs islands on you’re first run japan will still have enough IPC’s for the land battle against India and Russia can only fight Germany and Itlay for so long until they are overwhelmed.
I think that 3 carriers with 6 fighters along with the DD’s is enough to take the philipines get a complex there and start building better boats than the japs because you have more money you can still get your 5 carriers by that point.
I think the only flaw is trying the suprise build, just putting boats in the water stops the Jap land builds and stops the japs from taking your NO’s in the begining.
I Like this plan alot though because the Japs usually split their Navy to go South this plan destroys the monster Japan that we all hate as the Allies.
Really. People think that the Japanese are unstoppable. That’s because the Japanese are held to the age-old tradition of dividing and conquering. The only thing is, the Allies can turn around and divide the Japanese about twice as quickly should they have the mind to.
An 8 IPC bid is optimal for this. 1 inf + 1 arm in Egy. (the more, the better, but 8 is average, right?)
Combine a defensive R1 turn w/ Cau bomber with a R2 3inf to Ind + 7inf Man stack push and you have a strong Russian counter to two fields.
Add to that a B1 Ind IC + 2 arm/1 fig Egy to Ind, and an aggressive Aus DD.
America goes 100% Pacific with both bombers and a 1 BB, 1 CV, 1 SS buy US1, consolidating American fleet in SZ56 with bombers in Haw, or WUS if not safe.
Summary:
Ind defended with 6 inf 1 art 1 fig 1 AA
Potential counterattack: 2 inf 2 arm Gbr (+ 1 bom if thought necessary) on B2
Potential counterattack: #inf #arm 1bom Rus on R3 (arm buy on R2 to account for defensive 1st turn should have 4arm in Cau, inf moved on R2 if deemed necessary)
Man taken 7inf
1 BB 2 CV 1 DD 4 fig 1 SS SZ56 US1 + 2 bom (26 att)
1 Jap TP off SZ38 sunk
Face it. Japan has previously been able to take everything by J3 simply by using their massive air force to spread across the board. If forced to use it defensively, or with no inf to soak any hits, their potential is greatly reduced. These methods are extreme, and neglect Ger, but Japan will never get the chance to grow and you will see America making 60 IPC, with Great Britain making 50 IPC and Japan making 8 IPC by US4 if lucky, US6 if unlucky. Japan has 17 IPC turn 1. 30-40 turn 2. It goes down after that. America has 40 IPC turn 1. 48-50 turn 2. It goes up after that. Britain has 43 IPC turn 1. 30-40 turn 2. It goes up after that.
Germany can do as she likes. She won’t take a skilled Russian player, with a British approach of 2inf+1art in Ind each turn. I mean, Ind+Bur+Bor+Sum+Ngu+Per=15 IPC. 3 turns of owning these and the place will have paid for itself and the costs of maintaining it
(10 IPC/turn). It won’t fall, because Japan’s reach can’t make it with America pulling on her other arm and Russia biting her toes.
Japan is a mother. Incredibly efficient if left to her tasks, ready to break down when the kids become terrors.
Really. People think that the Japanese are unstoppable.
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Japan is a mother. Incredibly efficient if left to her tasks, ready to break down when the kids become terrors.
Thanks for the memorable quotes :mrgreen:
I had this strat used on me before I had ever heard of it. I proved fatal for the allies. As Japan I use a VERY offensive towards the US strat. If the British player is going to continue to spend some money in India then it helps my European axis. Also being extremely aggressive against the US player allows me to occasionally scare them out of the pacific giving up all those bonus. When I say aggressive I am talking about taking HI on J2 with nearly the entire imperial navy. I also knock out the US island bonus on J2 as well. I wont go into detail on the Japanese strat unless someone wants but I found it to be fatal to the allies when they attempted this strategy against my aggressive play.
The problem I see in this whole strategy is that USA does not need to focus on building a vast navy that is comparable to Japan. They need to concentrate on Europe (hint hint: that was how history played out; Europe falling first then Asia.) USA is much more effective if they concentrate a majority of their forces on Germany and Italy. That is where the game is won and lost.
The problem I see in this whole strategy is that USA does not need to focus on building a vast navy that is comparable to Japan. They need to concentrate on Europe (hint hint: that was how history played out; Europe falling first then Asia.) USA is much more effective if they concentrate a majority of their forces on Germany and Italy. That is where the game is won and lost.
Many players share your view about KGF, but I believe this post is about a possible OTHER allied strategy.
I suggest that you take a look at some of the games that Yoshi plays against top players in the '41 league. He basically abandons Europe with the US. It is killer! :-o
I suggest that you take a look at some of the games that Yoshi plays against top players in the '41 league. He basically abandons Europe with the US. It is killer! :-o
Could you please elaborate? I’m not sure how to “take a look at these games” :)
http://www.axisandallies.org/forums/index.php?topic=19251.0
Here’s a link to his most recent game that is still in progress (so please don’t discuss any future moves about this particular game), if you look for his name on other game threads in the tournament section. You can read the moves on the forum but you should open the ABattleMap files to look at the actual game board progress.
I also played a US Pacific strategy against Zhukov in my last tournament game, which was also going well, but I made a mistake with the Soviets and let the Germans run rampant. :| So if you want to “check out” a US Pacific Allied strategy that almost worked, you can see it here:
