How to beat the Belorussian Stack?

What’s the best way for Germany to counter the ‘B-Rus stack’ strategy? If G is playing a russia-first strat, takes Baltic/E. Pol/Bessar the first turn, Russ piles everything into Belarussia, Germany is stuck. B-Russ is too strong to attack directly, and anything ‘going around’ will be counter attacked and destroyed (in Ukraine, or L-grad). But G cannot wait out a turn or two to get built up, b/c every turn just makes R stronger. What is the best way to counter that Russian strat, or is it just a matter of the G relying on luck of the dice? In my experience G has a VERY tough time winning this game vs. competent Allied play…
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The B-Stack is pathetic. Russia puts everything they can in, so germany should build all tanks for a turn or 2, and then attack w/ everything . Russia will certainly lose the battle, and there goes all their infantry, so you take moscow next turn. I can never understand why people think this startegy works. the most russia can buy is like 7 men (after you’ve taken east poland and baltic states) and germany can buy 8 or 9 tanks(depending on how you’ve done in middle east) so by turn 3 or 4 you can attack w/ like 25 tanks and like 15 men and all your planes against like 25 men, so you obviously win and there goes all of russia’s defense. The key for winning for the germans is getting an opportuinity to attack the bulk or russia’s men, and russia has to stay back in russia and moscow and turkestan to counter attack anything germany takes into bellorussia, beacuse on defense tanks are just as good as men. The goal for both sides is to be able to attack the bulk of the other side’s men, beacuse tanks are worse on defense. It’s common logic. The russians doing the bellorussia stack defense is a blessing for germany

The bellorussia stack is a coin toss. SOmetimes it works. Sometimes it doesnt. If I’m Germany, and Russia starts to stack, I hit with everythng I got. Before I do that though, I use all the subs on my first turn to capture all the allied convoys I can. They can never get them all back and the money I gain goes toward getting past that stack. It usually works for me. But on the flipside, Russia sometimes can weather the storm and win the battle. This breaks the back of Germany since they can never gain the momentum or strength they had at the begining of the game before the US starts to really play. As Germany, I once even went around the stack by going way south with a smaller but adequete force. By doing that it puts you about a turn away from moscow. This cause the russian player to panic and divert from the stack to the defense of the capitol. This makes it easier for the rest of your army to surge forward and eliminate the heart of Russias fighting force. After that, it’s not long before moscow falls. This has to be done quick though. If you wait to long, The allies will gain momentum in their campaign. And everyone knows that Germany cannot stand up to the combined wealth of all three allies.

@Inkfreak:

Before I do that though, I use all the subs on my first turn to capture all the allied convoys I can. They can never get them all back and the money I gain goes toward getting past that stack.

You don’t gain money by taking convoys, it’s just denying the opponent some cash.

@Guest:

so by turn 3 or 4 you can attack w/ like 25 tanks and like 15 men and all your planes against like 25 men, so you obviously win and there goes all of russia’s defense.

The western allies don’t send planes to russia in your scenario, do they? A continous stream of US fighters can start to add to the russian stack from turn 3-4ish on….

As long as you can, i would send in fighters, when playing the US.
They can do too much good for the allies, once they arrive: The russians can then slowly start to become more aggressive, do better strafing attacks, and still don’t need to buy anything but Inf.
So, i would do that as long as i can…. and who knows where an allied CV will once Leningrad and Vyborg have fallen…