A lot of posters seemed stunned at this scenario, never scene it ever happen or even could happen. Now that I mulled it over last night and looked at the rules and so forth it is very obvious to me why no one has ever scene this scenario. Because the scenario makes no logical sense.
Italy DOW on Russia and moves in 2 tanks into Eastern Poland.
Russia is now at war with Italy and can DOW on Germany at the start of their next turn, turn 3.
Germany on Turn 3 does not DOW on Russia and just non combats into Eastern Poland.
Russia at the start of Turn 3 DOW on Germany and off we go.There is no logical reason why Russia would not DOW on Germany at the start of Turn 3, none.
Heck you could argue that it makes no logical sense that Germany did not DOW on Russia at the start of G3 since Italy brought Russia into the war and Russia WILL DOW on Germany on R3.
Hi PainState,
From my perspective, if I was planning on doing a G3 Barbarossa AND I wanted to drive towards the south, then yes, it makes sense to not DOW. My stack will be together except for the minimum required mobile units and maybe 1 AAA in Poland so Russia doesn’t attack Poland to get their NO for occupying an Axis territory. But E. Poland will be real strong because the German air will be there and maybe bombers will also be in range of a raid on the Moscow factory. Also, 5 IPCs is more income than I’d probably get as Germany on the 1st turn.
There are a few disadvantages of course. 1, Russian blockers can’t be attacked. 2, the Scandinavian units are behind. But for me that’s ok, I just use them to lay siege anyways. I never expect to get Moscow on turn 6 anymore. I assume that the UK/Anzac and that lone French fighter are going to get to Moscow.Â
Germany Minor Industry on Finland
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I have been trying to come up with different strategies before I play again. I wanted to know peoples’ thoughts and whether they have tried this before. I did not see any previous posts when I used the search bar.
On G2, after taking Finland on G1 purchasing and placing a Minor Industry on Finland.
I see this as a way to get infantry on the front Soviet lines much more quickly as well as to help defend Norway.
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A minor IC can only be built on a territory with a value of two or higher. Finland isn’t feasible.
Sorry.
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A minor IC can only be built on a territory with a value of two or higher. Finland isn’t feasible.
Sorry.
According to this map picture Finland is a 2:
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Ooops, you’re right. I believe I was thinking of a different game.
My apologies.
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If I get to Norway fast enough as the US I’ll build a minor on Finland after taking it (having two minors up there can be great).
As for Germany? I don’t know if it makes sense. If the plan is to build infantry, you’re talking G5 before you can even have 3 inf in Leningrad. Doesn’t seem worth it to me
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Probably sub-optimal. If you play well you will control the Leningrad factory by G5, and that provides you with most of the benefits of a Finland factory.
Factory purchases are useful for Japan because it only starts the game with 1 island factory. Germany starts the game with 2 majors and soon controls 2-3 additional minors. Finland is a good spot for a USA minor but suboptimal for a German minor because Germany doesn’t need additional production in that region.
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Transports would be far more useful for Germany… you could get two for just 2 IPC more, and get more units into Russian territory faster with it, and would be useful after Novogrod is captured as well, plus they’d help project threat on UK, Gibraltar, etc.
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It isn’t very useful. Instead add Finland as a power in my Global 1940 with minor powers house rule. Balanced and fun.
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Transports would be far more useful for Germany… you could get two for just 2 IPC more, and get more units into Russian territory faster with it, and would be useful after Novogrod is captured as well, plus they’d help project threat on UK, Gibraltar, etc.
Yuuuuuuup. All fantastic points, with one final one: Those two German transports will never be producing allied units, no matter what, whereas the mIC would. The only negative transports have is that they can be destroyed, but even if they only do work 1-2 times in the game, they are still arguably extremely valuable.
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Get to Leningrad and use that IC against any Russian turtle, or American landing in Norway… if Germany were to build an IC, these days I prefer to build it in Greece (if safe to do so). It helps to protect against a Balkans crush strategy from Russia, and it also gives the Axis strong options in the Med.
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Dido what everyone else said.
You should have the Russian minor in Leningrad and prob Ukraine as well a couple turns after you invade Russia, so there really is no need to spend the IPCs up there for redundancy.
You can buy a second German transport for 7 IPCs (cheaper) and move 2 more units (4 tot) through the Baltic and threaten all Russian territories that boarders the Baltic Sea (or even the White Sea sz 127 if you venture out). Besides threatening multiple territories, transports can be used to reinforce or counter attack as well. A 3rd German transport in the water (with some added fleet) will keep the London in a defensive position in the early/mid game too.
Finally as others pointed out a German IC in Scandinavia will quickly draw the attention of the USA. Norway/Finland is already a target, you really don’t want to magnify it IMO.