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jemo81
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Is it allowed to send 7 fighters after a target if only 6 of the can land on a carrier even if it is highly likely that some of the fighters will die?

I played tonight against japan who wanted to attack the us nawy with 7 fighters and land the 6 of them on the 3 carriers and then “forfit” the 1 remaining fighter should it be so “lucky” to survive.
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nope, there MUST be a certain landing point for every air unit.
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PelierBay
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nope

You cannot deliberately move any air unit out of range of a potential safe landing space.

Page 21 on the right side just below non combat movement.
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jemo81
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thanks for the quick replys
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@the-spaceman Seems like a good start. A few thoughts to throw into the mix:

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@xlome_00 Sea Lion is one of those attacks where the threat is mightier than the execution. If you buy a carrier for the Baltic Fleet on G1, that’s a reasonable purchase anyway to protect your supply lines to Norway/Finland/Leningrad/Baltics. If you move the German Med transport to the central Med, it is protected by the Italian fleet and can reinforce Libya, which is a reasonable move anyway. If you then bring the Italian fleet to take Gibraltar and retake Morocco, that helps score your NOs, so that’s a normal attack. So all of these preparatory moves can be done with minimal cost to the standard Axis war effort.

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