Paris Riots

[Guest]

No reports on what marine said.
Yet, first use of shotguns and rifles.
First signs of organisation via SMS and internet blogs.
Rioters looked for the direct confrontation with police forces last night.
First dead, a man who was hit by a stone in one of the first nights. After days in coma he died.
More than 400 rioters arrested last night, 30 cops injured.

Hard to say how it will evolve. I thought it would die down “quickly”… it seems that the “iron hand” of Sarkozy and calling the youth there scum/rabble doesn’t help. I wonder what would have happened if Sarkozy instead had said after the one ofthe first nights “yes, maybe the police is quilty of the death of the two boys. We will investigate”

[DarthMaximus]

From what I have read, the police weren’t even chasing the two youths.

The kids thought they were but the police were after someone else or something.

I thought this would die down too.  I figured that things would have at least been sorted out over the weekend.

I thought I saw/read something about “copycat” stuff in Belgium as well.

Anyway, I hope they put a clamp down on this soon, otherwise it is just going to get uglier and uglier.  Because at this point I don’t think it is going to be something that is going to die down on its own.  Esp, if this stuff is starting to become “organized”.

[Yanny]

Sounds a lot like the race riots in Newark that I’ve heard stories about.

Those lasted for months.

If they last for over six weeks, look out for white flags.

[El Jefe]

Some common terrorist expert(Ha!) is trying to take credit for predicting this…
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47259

I seem to recall someone else had concerns months ago.
Now, who was it?
…
(Cogitate, reflect.)
…
(Think.)
…
Oh, yeah!
It was ME!

More update.
http://www.worldnetdaily.com/news/article.asp?ARTICLE_ID=47258

More Muslim activity…
(Pirates…my sphincter!

[Guest]

@Yanny:

If they last for over six weeks, look out for white flags.

Repetition doesn’t make it intelligent, so …. the “intelligent jokes by USans” count is still at “0”.

[Guest]

WTF is this “intelligent joke” thing!!!??? As I recall, the funniest people in the world come from the U.S. so shut up already and lets get back to the original topic!!!

[Rune Blade]

It’s been over 13 days and finally:

“French Cabinet approves curfew measures to curb violent riots that have spread across the country” – Fox News

After 13 days?  This is a prime example of what to expect from a socialist French goverment.  Sit on your butt and hope for the best.

By the way, how many times have you heard in the media that these acts of terror are being committed by muslims?  As angered as I am that muslims are again on the rampage, I am sitting back and silently hoping that France burns to the ground for all their anti-Americanism.

Rune Blade

[Mary]

The French probably thought the same thing after Katrina. “Five days to get food and water to people? Just what you would expect from Bush and company”.

Good thing Bush appointed “Fashion God” Michael “Brownie” Brown to run FEMA, eh?

[Rune Blade]

Mary, once again your ingnorance is unparralleled.

For one, comparing what happened to Katrina with muslims burning cities to the ground is a stretch.

Second, let’s talk about Katrina for a bit.  It is the PRIMARY responsibility of the State and Local goverment to supply food and water to their people.  NOT THE FEDERAL GOVERMENT!!!  On that bright and cheery note, state representatives even prevented food from teh Red Cross to be distributed at the stadium because they didn’t want any more people showing up there.  Very compationate liberals wouldn’t you say?  Stay with me, Mary because this is crucial for your education.  The whole situation in Louisiana could have been instantly solved if the Governor had called in the national guard.  Instead, what did that liberal woman do?  She threw up her hands and said, "Federal goverment, please come and save me and my state."  She didn’t even make an attempt to help those people in Louisiana.  Let’s talk about the mayor for a minute as well or should I say, the lack of one since he and his family high-tailed it out of there into Texas and let New Orleans suffer its fate.  And let’s not forget all the state revenue that was supposed to go to reinforcing the levies.  Where did it go?  To new casinos in New Orleans!  Brillian liberal thinking.  And now that Casino is destroyed!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!

Let’s compare a republican state like Texas to a liberal one like Louisiana for a minute as well Mary and you’ll see that you’re way off base here in terms of your liberal philosophy.

Texas:
Orderly evacuation.   
Told people to stay away even after the hurricane was gone due to danger.
6 looters - all arrested
Republican mayor last to leave.
Texas looked after its own.
No deaths.

Louisiana:
No evacuation.
Mayor told people to come on back eventhough another hurricane was heading that way and Bush had to step in and say, "No!"   (You won’t give Bush the credit for that I fear.)
Lots of looters, no arrests
Liberal mayor first to leave.
Louisiana immediately threw up hands and begged for federal assistance.  No state or local attempt to help people in New Orleans or surrounding areas (Cops went AWOL).
Needless deaths (expecially of the elderly)

I could go on Mary, but I’m putting you to shame.  The point is the reason Texas is so successful and Louisiana is underwater is because TEXAS IS A REPUBLICAN STATE!!!  Did you know that the lowest crime rate is in Texas?  Why?  Because people can carry handguns.  Washington, DC (A liberal district) does not allow people to carry guns and has one of the highests rates of crime in the nation.  Cooincidence, I think not.

Parallel to France:  Socialist goverment.  People can’t bear arms.  No military whatsoever.  No political backbone = NO PROTECTION FOR THE PEOPLE WHEN MUSLIM TERRORISTS ATTACK!

Let’s talk about FEMA, it’s own policy stated that it couldn’t offer substantial assistance until 72 hours later.  DUH!  They’re expecting state and local goverments to handle things so aid can come in from FEMA.  Apparently liberal politicians are too dumb to realize that.

FEDERAL GOVERMENT IS NOT A FIRST CALL ORGANIZATION FOR LOCAL DISASTERS!!!Â

Okay Mary, that’s one for me, zero for you!

Rune Blade
The master of debate

[Guest]

Hey, no need to get so hostile.  Anyway, according to the FBI, the Northeast as a region maintains the lowest rate of violent crime in the country for 2004.  Texas is certainly lower than DC, but much higher than many of the traditionally Blue states.  South Carolina, Tennessee and a bunch of other Red states do likewise.  It’s one of the reasons cited for the ineffectiveness of the death penalty and gun ownership in deterring crime.

http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/offense_tabulations/table_04.html
http://www.fbi.gov/ucr/cius_04/offenses_reported/offense_tabulations/table_05.html

Don’t really want to get involved in this discussion, but be careful with those numbers.  And maybe you should clarify what exactly you mean by a liberal mentality versus a conservative one when it comes to this issue.  After all, in terms of contribution to the national debt, Red states are generally in the hole while Blue ones are in the black.  I think this is a simplistic correlation, but does that mean that we should all be adopting “liberal” policies because they are economically solvent?  I don’t think you’ll take that line, but you’ve got to be more precise about what you’re talking about.

[Imperious Leader]

The funny thing about these French riots is the fact that the political leadership of Jack in the box Chirac is doing nothing about it, because it allready has probably capitulated and flown back flown back to southern france to restart another Vichy France thing. If this problem happened in America, Bush would have sent in the military and we would be done with them. But France has no policy to fight against agression, rather it wants to appease itself with just “allowing” the problem to solve itself. No wonder they opposed Iraq…they have not the means to defend even themselves from revolution. Excellent!

[El Jefe]

@Chengora:

…the ineffectiveness of the death penalty and gun ownership in deterring crime.

The “ineffectiveness of the death penalty” is created by all the liberalsand lib judgeswho hve given greater privileges and a safer environment to all the prisoners on Death Row… instead of the death the public/jury of their peers intended.

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Back to enjoying the fiddler… I thought of that about 4 days ago…Nero(Chirac) fiddlling while Rome(Paris) burned, but didn’t say or fora or blog it anywhar.   So I saw it in the paper Sunday… which means I thought it about the same time the editorialist was tapping his lil plastic buttons.

France lets cheap(Muslim) labor come into their country since shortly after WWII with little required except to pay taxes.
Low paying jobs, no requirement to learn French or get a better education.  The kids learn French and to despise the decadence of the filthy infidels.  However, the Muslim culture remains separate and becomes 10% of the voting public. Â

Any wonder why Chirac stayed out of the WoT(War on Terrorism) and received a majority of the liberal and Muslim vote to win reelection.

Concerns arise over identifying people/suspects.  The burka is banned as it hids the sex as well as the features of the burkaed.  Mulims take this as another slap.  Not to mention unemployment…due to a low education level or poor French language skills.  Are the French Muslims complaining about low unemployment payments as the Mullah who was kicked out of Britain did??

Riots in 300 small communities in and around Paris and a (Molotov…sp?)bomb making factory do not lead one to believe in spontaneous anger outbursts.

Plus, similar disruptions in Germany and Belgium.

I understand the liberal politicians are complaining about a need for more communication with the disaffected minorities, more jobs and job training.

If this were Bush country the military would already be restoring order(and no jokes about 120,000 dead civilians-by lib count, please.)

[Rune Blade]

After all, in terms of contribution to the national debt, Red states are generally in the hole while Blue ones are in the black.

Dude, Blue states contain all the big cities.  Big cities tend to generate more revenue thus more tax dollars.  This is the only reason why the blue states would contribute more to the national debt.  It has nothing to do with conservative or liberal politics, just demographics.

The funny thing about these French riots is the fact that the political leadership of Jack in the box Chirac is doing nothing about it, because it allready has probably capitulated and flown back flown back to southern france to restart another Vichy France thing. If this problem happened in America, Bush would have sent in the military and we would be done with them. But France has no policy to fight against agression, rather it wants to appease itself with just “allowing” the problem to solve itself. No wonder they opposed Iraq…they have not the means to defend even themselves from revolution. Excellent!

Very well said!  Let’s keep our eyes open to the inevitable French surrender!  :-D  When the Rodney King riots ran rampant in California, did they spill over into the whole country?  NO!

When a goverment appears weak like the Chirac goverment, these riots will only worsen.  When you don’t confront it in the first few days, that shows how weak a goverment is.Â

Think Chirac will survive this incident.  I’m betting he might step down if there is a Paris left standing.

BURN FRANCE BURN!!!

PS: Imperious, check my site soon,  I’ll have SEALION’s map out there in a couple of days for you to see.  I won’t get the whole game done before thanksgiving, though.

Rune Blade

[Rune Blade]

Check out this link to Bill O’Reilly’s column on France.  It is very enlightening, even to liberals.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,174889,00.html

Rune Blade

[Imperious Leader]

OK Rune i will play that game for sure. Should the Germans have a few more tanks? I only see 2 for Sealion.

[Rune Blade]

Well, the rioters sure as heck aren’t white Frenchmen.  They are muslims.  Plain and simple.  I agree that there is a vast amount of racism in France that has finally boiled over, but the Muslim religious leaders in France have been pushing their aggitation onto their masses and now it has finally spilled over.

Also, a random drive by shooting is not on the same scale as total anarchy in 300 French towns and villages including Paris where these cities are burning.  We have law and order in this country when things go bad.  In France, well, they try their little appeasement approach, then they try to pretend that it’ll work out.  Result?  Billions of dollars worth of destruction.  Enjoy France.  Socialist policies do not work.

Rune Blade

[Rune Blade]

Imperious,  hit me back at my email address.  I’ll give you more info on the game.  Each side has reinforcment charts.  Yes, the Germans have more tanks that come into play later.  I can send them to you if you want more details.

Rune Blade

[Yanny]

Socialist policies do not work.

(social democrat…)

Britain
France
Germany
Sweden
Italy
Finland
Norway
Denmark
Netherlands
Belgium
Spain

Yeah… seems like some really unsuccessful countries to me.

The distribution of the United States actually makes the most wealthy country in the world look like an Agrarian nation in terms of level of human security. I’d quote you the line from the excellent book Sacred and Secular, by Norris and Inglehart (probably the two best empircal political scientists in the world).

[Mary]

@Rune:

Mary, once again your ingnorance is unparralleled.

For one, comparing what happened to Katrina with muslims burning cities to the ground is a stretch.

Sorry, I stopped reading at that point. Exactly which city has been “burned to the ground”?

[El Jefe]

I know it’s not just a Muslim/Anti-Semitic thing as my previous post exemplifies. However…

http://www.guardian.co.uk/frontpage/story/0,16518,1637465,00.html

and…

http://www.breitbart.com/news/2005/11/08/D8DON2L00.html

Many of these blighted communities are majority Muslim population.  This gives fuel to any fire the Fundamentalist Mullahs wish to ignite.