OMG! :) Thx all for the replies. I didnt know there were that many differences. Gonna send the new 2nd edition gameboard for enlargement too then! ASAP!
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Jonas
Global 2nd edition Q+A ( AAG40.2)
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@Eggman:
If you have a tank can you take an empty enemy terr in combat move and activate or non com into a just activated friendly neutral with the leftover movement point?
The answer should be no, because converting an empty enemy territory counts as a combat, and only planes can move in both combat and non-combat movement.
A general wording of this is found on page 22 of the Europe 2e book:
Phase 4: Noncombat Move
In this phase you can move any of your units **_that didn't move in the Combat Move phase or participate in combat during your turn.Taking an empty enemy territory counts as a combat move.
You can blitz tanks over a hostile territory in the combat move, and complete its movement into a non-hostile territory in the combat movement phase (in fact, you must complete the tank’s movement then and not later)_** -
If you have a tank can you take an empty enemy terr in combat move and activate or non com into a just activated friendly neutral with the leftover movement point?
that’s a good question! i’m thinking movement ends when they activate the a friendly neutral… but what about when they activate a FBPN???
gamer you still didn’t answer this one. a FBPN territory that has a standing army - can a tank or mech move through the territory and move another space, thereby activating the standing army?
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You can blitz tanks over a hostile territory in the combat move, and complete its movement into a non-hostile territory in the combat movement phase (in fact, you must complete the tank’s movement then and not later)
You’re actually agreeing with me. The question is: can a tank claim an empty space in combat movement and then claim a neutral in non-combat movement. The answer is no.
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@Eggman:
You can blitz tanks over a hostile territory in the combat move, and complete its movement into a non-hostile territory in the combat movement phase (in fact, you must complete the tank’s movement then and not later)
You’re actually agreeing with me. The question is: can a tank claim an empty space in combat movement and then claim a neutral in non-combat movement. The answer is no.
His question was whether you can blitz and then claim a friendly neutral all in one move and the answer is yes
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tripleA only allows the claiming of a friendly neutral in noncombat movement. what do the rules technically say? is it done in combat or noncombat?
still doesn’t answer my question of whether the first space of a blitz can be through a friendly but previously neutral country (not a friendly neutral) and move into combat on the second space and thereby activate the standing army if there is one.
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If you have a tank can you take an empty enemy terr in combat move and activate or non com into a just activated friendly neutral with the leftover movement point?
that’s a good question!� i’m thinking movement ends when they activate the a friendly neutral…� but what about when they activate a FBPN???
gamer you still didn’t answer this one.� a FBPN territory that has a standing army - can a tank or mech move through the territory and move another space, thereby activating the standing army?�
This could be interpreted two different ways. Is the FBPN the FIRST territory or the SECOND territory.
I didn’t answer it separately because in this case the FBPN is no different than a friendly neutral.If the friendly neutral or FBPN is the FIRST territory of the tank’s movement, it cannot move another space.
A tank can blitz and take control of an empty non-neutral, non-FBPN territory and then move a SECOND space into any neutral (friendly or no) or FBPN.In other words, A GROUND UNIT CAN NEVER MOVE ANOTHER SPACE AFTER ACTIVATING A FRIENDLY NEUTRAL
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also if the activation of a friendly neutral can be done in the combat move, can the first space the tank moves be into the friendly neutral and can it then move another space during combat? if the activation can only be done in noncombat, if the first space of the tank’s noncombat movement is into the friendly neutral, can it then have a second space of movement?
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tripleA only allows the claiming of a friendly neutral in noncombat movement.� what do the rules technically say?� is it done in combat or noncombat?
Only non-combat, so if TripleA doesn’t let you claim a friendly neutral in combat movement, it is correct.
still doesn’t answer my question of whether the first space of a blitz can be through a friendly but previously neutral country (not a friendly neutral) and move into combat on the second space and thereby activate the standing army if there is one.
Jeez, calm down! :-)
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also if the activation of a friendly neutral can be done in the combat move, can the first space the tank moves be into the friendly neutral and can it then move another space during combat? if the activation can only be done in noncombat, if the first space of the tank’s noncombat movement is into the friendly neutral, can it then have a second space of movement?
This is the fourth time you’ve asked this question in a matter of minutes, and the answer was in the post prior to this! In fact, the answer was in my first answer reply. I did not miss your question.
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If you have a tank can you take an empty enemy terr in combat move and activate or non com into a just activated friendly neutral with the leftover movement point?
that’s a good question!� i’m thinking movement ends when they activate the a friendly neutral…� but what about when they activate a FBPN???
gamer you still didn’t answer this one.� a FBPN territory that has a standing army - can a tank or mech move through the territory and move another space, thereby activating the standing army?�
This could be interpreted two different ways. �Is the FBPN the FIRST territory or the SECOND territory.
I didn’t answer it separately because in this case the FBPN is no different than a friendly neutral.If the friendly neutral or FBPN is the FIRST territory of the tank’s movement, it cannot move another space.
A tank can blitz and take control of an empty non-neutral, non-FBPN territory and then move a SECOND space into any neutral (friendly or no) or FBPN.In other words, A GROUND UNIT CAN NEVER MOVE ANOTHER SPACE AFTER ACTIVATING A FRIENDLY NEUTRAL
what i’m getting at is since a FBPN is different than the friendly neutral because air can land in it prior to activating the standing army, i could see possibility that a tank could move THROUGH the territory in noncombat and activate the standing army.
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@Eggman:
You can blitz tanks over a hostile territory in the combat move, and complete its movement into a non-hostile territory in the combat movement phase (in fact, you must complete the tank’s movement then and not later)
You’re actually agreeing with me. The question is: can a tank claim an empty space in combat movement and then claim a neutral in non-combat movement. The answer is no.
I didn’t agree with you. Read it all again.
I agreed with you that a tank can’t move in the combat AND non-combat phases.
But your answer that a tank cannot blitz an enemy territory and then also activate a friendly neutral was wrong.
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what i’m getting at is since a FBPN is different than the friendly neutral because air can land in it prior to activating the standing army, i could see possibility that a tank could move THROUGH the territory in noncombat and activate the standing army.
What? Move through WHICH territory? The FBPN with the standing army, or a different one? You are not being very clear with your questions!
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In other words, A GROUND UNIT CAN NEVER MOVE ANOTHER SPACE AFTER ACTIVATING A FRIENDLY NEUTRAL
OR FBPN
Is that what you needed? :roll:
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what i’m getting at is since a FBPN is different than the friendly neutral because air can land in it prior to activating the standing army, i could see possibility that a tank could move THROUGH the territory in noncombat and activate the standing army.
What?� Move through WHICH territory?� The FBPN with the standing army, or a different one?� You are not being very clear with your questions!
ok here is the scenario. i have a US tank in norway. germany just attacked sweden but didn’t clear the standing army. on the US turn, can i move then tank THROUGH sweden in either combat or noncombat move, thereby activating the standing army, and then enter finland? so the question is, for a FBPN country, does activating the standing army require the tank to stop? and we know a friendly neutral can only be activated in noncombat, but just wanted to confirm the same was true of the FBPN.
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In other words, A GROUND UNIT CAN NEVER MOVE ANOTHER SPACE AFTER ACTIVATING A FRIENDLY NEUTRAL
OR FBPN
Is that what you needed? :roll:
ah yes, that’s it! :-)
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His question was whether you can blitz and then claim a friendly neutral all in one move and the answer is yes
The answer is still no. Claiming neutrals is always a non-combat move, blitzing is combat. You cannot combine them. The only exception is for airplanes.
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ok here is the scenario. i have a US tank in norway. germany just attacked sweden but didn’t clear the standing army. on the US turn, can i move then tank THROUGH sweden in either combat or noncombat move, thereby activating the standing army, and then enter finland? so the question is, for a FBPN country, does activating the standing army require the tank to stop? and we know a friendly neutral can only be activated in noncombat, but just wanted to confirm the same was true of the FBPN.
Claiming a country is always non-combat move. If it was attacked and joined to your side, it is still unclaimed until occupied by non-combat movement. You cannot move into it and claim it in either the first or second move of a blitz.
Again, quoting the rules, Europe '40 2e page 11,
If the attack upon the formerly neutral territory is unsuccessful (the territory is not captured), any remaining defending units stay in the territory but can't move. The territory remains uncontrolled… ...but units from the side it's now allied with can move into it and take control of it and its remaining units **_in the same way as if it were a friendly neutral.Since friendly neutrals can only be claimed in non-combat movement, attacked-but-not-captured neutrals can also only be claimed in non-combat movement. The rules seem pretty clear to me, if somebody wants to keep insisting I am wrong, please back up the claim with the relevant rule from the manual._**
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ok here is the scenario. i have a US tank in norway. germany just attacked sweden but didn’t clear the standing army. on the US turn, can i move then tank THROUGH sweden in either combat or noncombat move, thereby activating the standing army, and then enter finland?
If you are talking 100% non-combat movement, the answer is once again no. Europe `40 manual 2e, page 10:
Friendly neutrals may not be attacked, and air units may not fly over them. They can be moved into **_(but not through) as a noncombat move by land units of a power that is at war.Therefore your tank must stop in Sweden, otherwise it would be moving through Sweden and not into it. Since the rule I quoted earlier says that attacked-but-not-conquered neutrals follow the same rules as friendly neutrals, this covers your example. It is impossible no matter how you try to arrange it to have claiming a neutral as part of a 2-space move._**
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@Eggman:
…It is impossible no matter how you try to arrange it to have claiming a neutral as part of a 2-space move.
Aside from the one case of moving the first space through an already friendly territory into the neutral.
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@Eggman:
ok here is the scenario. i have a US tank in norway. germany just attacked sweden but didn’t clear the standing army. on the US turn, can i move then tank THROUGH sweden in either combat or noncombat move, thereby activating the standing army, and then enter finland?
If you are talking 100% non-combat movement, the answer is once again no. Europe `40 manual 2e, page 10:
Friendly neutrals may not be attacked, and air units may not fly over them. They can be moved into **_(but not through) as a noncombat move by land units of a power that is at war.Therefore your tank must stop in Sweden, otherwise it would be moving through Sweden and not into it. Since the rule I quoted earlier says that attacked-but-not-conquered neutrals follow the same rules as friendly neutrals, this covers your example. It is impossible no matter how you try to arrange it to have claiming a neutral as part of a 2-space move.
You’re wrong, Eggman.Read page 29, under tanks. The second territory can be FRIENDLY OR HOSTILE. The entire move takes place during the combat movement phase. It’s no different than a “blitz and back” move. When you move back from the blitzed territory to the original territory the tank came from, that second territory is a friendly territory.
You can blitz a hostile territory and in the second move claim a friendly neutral.
The part you are right about is that you can’t blitz a friendly neutral and then continue on to a second territory. But that doesn’t make you right in saying that tanks can’t make a second move to a friendly territory in the combat movement phase, because they most certainly can._**
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