Nuclear weapons are a funny thing. To be quite honest, I dont care if a country has nukes as long as they meet 2 conditions.
1. We are some what allies with them. Not really close allies like Canada or Australia but not enemies either.
2. If they are hostile, so long as the weapon can’t reach us again, I dont care.
China, I didn’t give a hill of beans that they had nukes because the missles they used couldn’t reach us. Well, let us all thank former president Bill “Slick Willy” Clinton for the Chinese being able to plunk us now.
Similar to China and Taiwan now. It doesnt really bother me that China WANTS Taiwan because they lack the needed amphib forces. Once they get the number of craft needed, they will still lack the experiance needed to complete the operation. IMHO of course
What was I talking about… oh yes. And like Devient said we will be getting bigger and better toys. I say we roll out the Neutron Bombs. IMHO yet again
@Deviant:Scripter:
@F_alk:
The chinese have more brains than you. Read “the art of war”.
I’ve read “The Art of War.” What’s your point? See what I say in the next paragraph.
(snip)
Waaaaiiiiiitttt. Back this horse up a minute. Where did I say we should go after every country that possesses nuclear weapons? … I’m simply saying that we need to be cautious, and not treat everyone like our friend. There is more going on behind the scenes then what’s readily visible to us citizens.
@Deviant:Scripter:
Do I really need to explain the significance of a country that hates us, possessing nuclear weaponry?
So, the emphasis was on “hate” then, right?
Man, the chinese don’t hate you. The soviets or any communists didn’t hate you. The muslim fundamentalists didn’t hate you at first.
You know, there is more than love and hate. Wasn’t it you who spoke of grey tones in another thread?? Why not here?
For the art of war: even if the had hated you, the chinese know that a nuclear war against the USA would be of no benefit for anyone. So, why should they then start it? ….
@Deviant:Scripter:
50 years from now, we’ll be developing bigger and better weapons that make nuclear bombs look like water balloons. It’s all we can do to stay alive.
Nuclear weapons are a funny thing….And like Devient said we will be getting bigger and better toys. I say we roll out the Neutron Bombs. IMHO yet again
Ahm…. no…
nuclear weapons…
@ Jazz: neutron bombs are nuclear weapons
@ both: fusion bombs (H-bombs) are nuclear bombs.
Agreed, the term nuclear bomb usually is used for fission bombs… but it’s more if you look closely.
Another thing: i doubt that there will be bigger weapons in 50 years, if you have a look at the potential of destruction (to make it look like a “water bomb”).
The only thing that can top a nuclear bomb (fusion, fission) is a matter-antimatter bomb (or, as there will be enough matter around when you drop it, a pure antimatter bomb).
And there are some severe problems in the production of those. One of them: up to today, worldwide, i think mankind has produced about 1 gram of antimatter. … plus the difficulty to store it, especially for a long term.
So, no bigger bombs, (not at all) sorry…
A ground war in China !?!?! Can’t think of anything worse than that. Money talks. Trade = money = no war…
You are right of course F_alk. I should have been more clear in what i said. Neutron bombs are nuclear weapons, the difference being they are(in theory anyway) only suppose to kill people as appose to leveling an entire city.
Thank you for pointing out my error F_alk, appreciate it.
I have to disagree with you to a degree. Russia actually stole the bomb from us. The Chinese stole ICBM technology. We more or less gave Israel its tech. And so on.
Second, I doubt very many more countries will get the bomb anytime soon. Only a few are even trying. And we are trying to stop them.
Third, I doubt we’ll develop more advanced weapons until we get off this rock.
@Deviant:Scripter:
none of them did so using America’s help.
50 years from now, we’ll be developing bigger and better weapons that make nuclear bombs look like water balloons. It’s all we can do to stay alive.
Yanny don’t make me laugh with your 200 million man Chinese army.
The logistic problems make it laughable.
Also, the Chinese need U.S. dolars more than we need their products. An end to trade would hurt them more. Why do you think they have left Taiwan alone?
Third, I doubt we’ll develop more advanced weapons until we get off this rock.
I’m assuming we’ll be off this rock in 50 years. :)
Over 55 years ago in WW2, SINGLE MINUTES went by where more than 200,000 bullets were flying through the air. How long could it really take to mow down a Commie army that we could already Daist-cut to smitherines ahead of time?
@city:
Over 55 years ago in WW2, SINGLE MINUTES went by where more than 200,000 bullets were flying through the air. How long could it really take to mow down a Commie army that we could already Daist-cut to smitherines ahead of time?
Hmmm, are you talking of Vietnam?
I didn’t say they could have a 200 million man army. I said they have a 200 million man pool of people. This means they could raise a 50 million man army, and replace any losses without trouble. A 1.5 billion person workforce backing this up. They will have the resources to attack many places at once, more places than we can defend. Imagine them going into Taiwan, South Korea, and South Asia at once.
China has ICBMs. We stole our nuclear secrets from the Germans (at least the last piece of the puzzle), and the Russians did the same to us (stole the last piece of the puzzle).
Yanny said:
Imagine them going into Taiwan, South Korea, and South Asia at once.
3 major offensives at once? One of them an amphib assault, talk about the logistics nightmare from hell.
Yanny said:
Imagine them going into Taiwan, South Korea, and South Asia at once.
3 major offensives at once? One of them an amphib assault, talk about the logistics nightmare from hell.
oh, i could do it. 8)
Well of course you could CC, if you were the leader of China i would be building a fall out shelter :)
I didn’t say they could have a 200 million man army. I said they have a 200 million man pool of people. This means they could raise a 50 million man army, and replace any losses without trouble. A 1.5 billion person workforce backing this up. They will have the resources to attack many places at once, more places than we can defend. Imagine them going into Taiwan, South Korea, and South Asia at once.
China has ICBMs. We stole our nuclear secrets from the Germans (at least the last piece of the puzzle), and the Russians did the same to us (stole the last piece of the puzzle).
Actually, they’d move into Taiwan, Mongolia and Siberia. Those are the areas that they have a land claim to. They might ally with North Korea and help them take over South Korea, but I doubt they’d advance much further. Russia would most likely collapse from an invasion. It would most likely be one amphibious assault with further expansions into mainland Asia.
I didn’t say they could have a 200 million man army. I said they have a 200 million man pool of people. This means they could raise a 50 million man army, and replace any losses without trouble. A 1.5 billion person workforce backing this up. They will have the resources to attack many places at once, more places than we can defend. Imagine them going into Taiwan, South Korea, and South Asia at once.
China has ICBMs. We stole our nuclear secrets from the Germans (at least the last piece of the puzzle), and the Russians did the same to us (stole the last piece of the puzzle).
Actually, they’d move into Taiwan, Mongolia and Siberia. Those are the areas that they have a land claim to. They might ally with North Korea and help them take over South Korea, but I doubt they’d advance much further. Russia would most likely collapse from an invasion. It would most likely be one amphibious assault with further expansions into mainland Asia.
If this interests you and you enjoy Tom Clancey, his “The Bear and The Dragon” might be a fun read for you.
I guess i have a unique oppinon of what is gonna happen with China. I think there is gonna be a revolt. Maybe like the russian one, maybe like the American, but who knows. Something is gonna happen, the people are too oppressed.
Also, the US pulled out of the AABM treaty. We have ABM’s in Alaska, china’s single-warhead, shartranged ICBM are becoming less and less a problem. Also, China is NOT in bed with Russia, in fact, they have had many disagreements in the past. And now Russia is finding itself more and more an allie of the west.
This is the deal: all American wars for the last century were, in principle, defensive ones. If China invaded its nieghbors, we COULD and WOULD bomb their armies a step past pergatory, because the US doesn’t want their land. On the other hand, China would never nuke South Korea, something that they DO want…
And a side note… I’ve studied about what China’s military was like in the late sixties… if the US HAD BEEN ALLOWED to win the Vietnam war, we could have sent 10 Divisions, (Which we DID have) fought north along the coastline, turned left, and NOT STOPPED UNTIL TURKMENISTAN. China coulda shoulda woulda been toast.
Yea, good point city.
The truly biggest reason that Veitnam was the horrible mess that is was, is becuase our government turned it into too much of a political war. We had politicians with wAY too much influence on our military strategy and what we should do next. With better leadership, our Veitnam could have turned out to be a much brighter picture.
