• @Global-commander:

    @Stoney229:

    @Commando:

    Pro Axis neutrals means countries that are pro axis that have not been activated by an Axis power yet. Meaning, Iraq starts as pro-axis. If Iraq is activated by Germany, Italy or Japan, then it is no longer pro-axis. It is a territory controlled by the Axis power that activated it.

    Wouldn’t Russia still collect the NO if taking Iraq from Germany or Italy?  I think so.

    @Global-commander:

    @Commando:

    Pro Axis neutrals means countries that are pro axis that have not been activated by an Axis power yet. Meaning, Iraq starts as pro-axis. If Iraq is activated by Germany, Italy or Japan, then it is no longer pro-axis. It is a territory controlled by the Axis power that activated it.

    what I wondered was weather Russia could deliberately turn a country pro-axis just to capture it to collect the bonus.

    This is part of why I think it is unlikely, but I guess RAW suggest otherwise.

    what is RAW?

    rules as written.  essentially referring to the specific wording of the rules and not the errata or interpretations, although generally those are backed up convincingly by the wording of the rules.

    Whether people refer to “RAW” as OOB specifically or if they include the official Alpha modifications isn’t always clear, although most people appear to have embraced Alpha 3 as the standard at this point, unless noted otherwise.


  • @kcdzim:

    It applies only to the territories that begin the game “pro-axis”.� It would not apply to territories that begin true neutral, even if they switch allegiance later.

    are you sure of this? it does not specify “original pro-axis”, but it does specify original German or Italian territories. one could infer from this that territories that become pro-axis would be included.


  • @Global-commander:

    @kcdzim:

    It applies only to the territories that begin the game “pro-axis”.� It would not apply to territories that begin true neutral, even if they switch allegiance later.

    are you sure of this? it does not specify “original pro-axis”, but it does specify original German or Italian territories. one could infer from this that territories that become pro-axis would be included.

    yes, I’m sure.  The wording means “original german”, “original italian” and “original pro-axis”.   By your interpretation of the wording it doesn’t specify original Italian, and that is NOT the case.

    “3 IPCs for each original German, Italian, or pro-Axis neutral territory that the Soviet Union controls. Theme: Propaganda value and spread of Communism.”


  • @kcdzim:

    @Global-commander:

    @kcdzim:

    It applies only to the territories that begin the game “pro-axis”.� It would not apply to territories that begin true neutral, even if they switch allegiance later.

    are you sure of this? it does not specify “original pro-axis”, but it does specify original German or Italian territories. one could infer from this that territories that become pro-axis would be included.

    yes, I’m sure.  The wording means “original german”, “original italian” and “original pro-axis”.   By your interpretation of the wording it doesn’t specify original Italian, and that is NOT the case.

    “3 IPCs for each original German, Italian, or pro-Axis neutral territory that the Soviet Union controls. Theme: Propaganda value and spread of Communism.” ok, thanks.


  • Where can I find the correct set-up that shows England with  AA guns?


  • also, can you build minors on captured territories?


  • @Global-commander:

    Where can I find the correct set-up that shows England with  AA guns?

    http://harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6149

    @Global-commander:

    also, can you build minors on captured territories?

    Yes, as long as it is not an island and is worth 2 ipcs or more.


  • @kcdzim:

    @Global-commander:

    Where can I find the correct set-up that shows England with  AA guns?

    http://harrisgamedesign.com/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=40&t=6149

    @Global-commander:

    also, can you build minors on captured territories?

    Yes, as long as it is not an island and is worth 2 ipcs or more. I thought england had 5 AA guns.


  • is there an alpha 3  set-up where england has 5 AA guns?


  • @Global-commander:

    is there an alpha 3  set-up where england has 5 AA guns?

    There may have been sometime in the past but that setup is no longer current/accurate/official.  It has been superseded and the link provided is the absolute in current/accurate/official and is meant to be the OOB rules/setup for the reprint.


  • @kcdzim:

    @Global-commander:

    is there an alpha 3  set-up where england has 5 AA guns?

    There may have been sometime in the past but that setup is no longer current/accurate/official.  It has been superseded and the link provided is the absolute in current/accurate/official and is meant to be the OOB rules/setup for the reprint.ok, when is a reprint coming?


  • @Global-commander:

    @kcdzim:

    @Global-commander:

    is there an alpha 3  set-up where england has 5 AA guns?

    There may have been sometime in the past but that setup is no longer current/accurate/official.  It has been superseded and the link provided is the absolute in current/accurate/official and is meant to be the OOB rules/setup for the reprint.

    ok, when is a reprint coming?

    ummmmm… Later this year at the earliest, sometime in the future at the latest.


  • is there ever a time when Russia would be allowed to place a complex on Manchuria in alpha 3?


  • @Global-commander:

    is there ever a time when Russia would be allowed to place a complex on Manchuria in alpha 3?

    No.  Nor in Alpha 2, or OOB.  That’s a chinese territory and will always be liberated as chinese.


  • @kcdzim:

    @Global-commander:

    is there ever a time when Russia would be allowed to place a complex on Manchuria in alpha 3?

    No.  Nor in Alpha 2, or OOB.  That’s a chinese territory and will always be liberated as chinese.

    ok, I just thought that there was a game where Russia did not liberate allied territories, but kept them.


  • @Global-commander:

    @kcdzim:

    @Global-commander:

    is there ever a time when Russia would be allowed to place a complex on Manchuria in alpha 3?

    No.  Nor in Alpha 2, or OOB.  That’s a chinese territory and will always be liberated as chinese.

    ok, I just thought that there was a game where Russia did not liberate allied territories, but kept them.

    no.  That’s a house rule that some have proposed, but it has never been official in any version


  • You could build a minor on Korea, however.


  • @Little_Boot:

    You could build a minor on Korea, however.

    that hot spot is a little too dangerous for my taste.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    @Little_Boot:

    You could build a minor on Korea, however.

    You can also build a major there.  Nice early in the game if you intend to surrender the Pacific.

  • TripleA

    yeah I been noticing the sino / russia japan give up the pacific thing… it usually fails hard, but germany takes russia on G5… thanks to japan’s bombing runs. The pacific looks like a mess after that, but whatever.

    I mean it is a dead giveaway when japan buys bombers J1 and J2. airbase mid china just to bomb russia and land in belarus… yeah… pretty obvious lol.

    I suppose a major industrial on j3 followed by an infantry spam would keep japan in the game after this point. I don’t really care, comes down to germany taking egypt or london after this. I guess axis could go for economic gains… but you won’t be on par with the allies as a whole… may as well rush.

    The idea is to bomb russia come J3 land belarus. J4 attack russia with all the air units then G5 attack and take it. Bam, G5 russia.

    Sure if you don’t want to lose all your japan air units just bomb russia another round and take it on G6.

    Tough call… comes down to rushing for egypt or london anyway… japan’s air loss advances you another round, but you pretty much give up on the attempt to resurrect the pacific… but whatever.

    I prefer G5 russia over G6, sure japan loses all his air on a suicide attack just to kill like 5-8 infantry so you can take russia… but you get 11 ipc in return to germany and russia does not collect and buy crap another turn… another turn ahead on the buy to get to egypt / london, which is important because you are outproduced… it is an all in strat to begin with.

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