G40 Alpha 2 carry on game for fun

[Jennifer]

The map of Allies 4 demonstrating the units being stacked on Midway/SZ 26.

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[BigBadBruce]

England income is 16.
27 from territories minus 11 for convoy :
2 from z119
6 from z109 (2German sub @3 each)
2 from z85
1 from z82

Map shows 9 because it doesn’t consider German subs as 3 for convoy, as per tourney rules.

Also, as per tourney rules, since you screwed up with Anzac and collected only 17IPC, it’s your bad.

[BigBadBruce]

@BigBadBruce:

Also, as per tourney rules, since you screwed up with Anzac and collected only 17IPC, it’s your bad.

Rather Calcutta, not Anzac.

[Jennifer]

@BigBadBruce:

@BigBadBruce:

Also, as per tourney rules, since you screwed up with Anzac and collected only 17IPC, it’s your bad.

Rather Calcutta, not Anzac.

Yes, but we’re fixing Japan’s mistakes anyway, so we’ll fix India’s mistake as well.

You have 6 dmg to England, 2 dmg to Scotland, 2 dmg to Brazil, 1 Dmg to Nigeria = 11 DMG.  (I’m sure you can fix it.  The map does not auto calculate for Germany’s bonus.)
India has 21 due to territories. (If we can fix Japan’s map, we can fix India’s income.  Pick one, either the Aleutians happened because your map was wrong, or India’s income is corrected since we corrected Japan’s turn.  You cannot have it both ways.)
Australia, as you pointed out, is correct at 14 IPC.

Go with Italy.  I’ll assume if the cash board has India at 21 IPC you went with the Corrections to Japan’s map and accordingly corrected India’s income.  (I am MUCH nicer than Gargantua, he would have forced you do redo all of Japan and then done all the allies from scratch.  It’s my second biggest beef with him, my first is his rolling of my attack dice for me.)  If you don’t want to correct India’s income, I will assume you are conceding that the Americans move (while technically illegal due to where we know the units should have been, was done correctly due to where you left the units on Japan’s turn.)  Either the map is right and we use it, or the map is wrong and we fix it.  I think that’s fair.

[BigBadBruce]

There’s nothing to fix about Japan. Nothing was changed regarding Japan’s income, units, dice roll. Nothing.

Arguments were ALL ABOUT your turn, as always.

What I claimed is :
1. USA aleutians attack can’t occur, therefore USA income is 67.
2. French Fighter can’t be in Gibraltar before Italy’s turn (which is even worst than before German’s turn…).
3. London income is 16.

You did fix USA on your own terms, I didn’t ask the removal of those transports and you can put them back if you want.
You can’t fix your Calcutta income screw up by “not attacking” aleutians as it can’t occur anyway!

See, I was sure you would come up with a funny way to give you the advantage, eventho its against your own rules!!!
:lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol:

[BigBadBruce]

I am MUCH nicer than Gargantua, he would have forced you do redo all of Japan and then done all the allies from scratch.

True, you are nicer the way you write your posts… but from what I know about Gargantua, he admits when (and if) he’s wrong. That’s the difference.

And since you call on what he would say… I invite him to answer for himself!!

[Jennifer]

Tournament rules allow a player to make corrections up to when the next player starts his next turn.  You have not started Italy, therefore, I can fix India per the tournament rules that govern this game (it is a continuation of a tournament game.)

I am being magnaminous in so much as not holding you accountable for your mistakes with Japan’s board.  It was you, not I, who moved the American units into the Ocean.  It was you, not I, who forgot to delete the American transports.  By all rights, those transports and units were in SZ 26 according to your last map, and thus, available to be used.  We all know what you MEANT to have done, and I am being very nice, I think, in rewinding the situation and correcting it without making any other adjustments.   For one, you could not legally have your warships in SZ 26 because you would have had to retreat from the undefended transports to have them survive.  (So you cheated, my Mantlefan’s absurd definition that no one in the English speaking world actually uses.)

I have attached a final map.  Either give up or go with Italy.  I’m not discussing this further.  I made my ruling and have not altered from it this whole time.  I have shown how my ruling is in accordance of the spirit of the rules and how much more of a prick I could be if I went with the letter of the rules.  I think you see what I mentioned as the legal course as a flip-flop, despite it only being used to demonstrate how easy I am letting you off on your mistakes regarding the map.

This is your last warning, please stop trying to twist every little situation into some whacked out distortion of what was really said in your effort to one-up me.  Was there a mistake?  Yes.  Japan made HUGE mistakes which in turn lead the Americans to making a mistake.  Am I holding you to them?  No.  Have I ever held you to them?  No.

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[Jennifer]

@BigBadBruce:

I am MUCH nicer than Gargantua, he would have forced you do redo all of Japan and then done all the allies from scratch.

True, you are nicer the way you write your posts… but from what I know about Gargantua, he admits when (and if) he’s wrong. That’s the difference.

And since you call on what he would say… I invite him to answer for himself!!

He can’t.  He went and pissed off IL so IL had him banned.  I have never banned anyone and hope never too ban anyone.

I also admitted the specific action was wrong, you just chose to ignore it.  The closest you have gotten to admitting you were wrong was in stating at the outset of the argument that you purposely made mistakes on the map.

[BigBadBruce]

@Cmdr:

I also admitted the specific action was wrong, you just chose to ignore it.  The closest you have gotten to admitting you were wrong was in stating at the outset of the argument that you purposely made mistakes on the map.

Nope, that is not true. Again Jenn, let’s review the facts.

1. In sz25, 2 US transport were left untouched after Japan’s turn. By mistake or on purposes it’s irrelevant. Japan’s fault is to leave those transports alive even if enought hit was done to sink them.
2. US troops are on Midway, not aboard transport in sz25.

From than, all can be done is to leave those US transport after Japan’s turn, for which I always agreed upon.

That being said. USA stil not allowed to attack Aleutian islands. France still not allowed to move before Italy. Calcutta still faulty for its income miscalculation. Nothing legimate can be said to make facts otherwise…

[Jennifer]

You must apply all hits regardless of your intention to retreat or not.  You cannot simply choose not to hit the transports.  You also cannot move your warships in during combat move and then decide not to attack the transports there if you are attacking other warships.

USA did not attack Aleutians (even though you made it a legal move by screwing up the board).  France was returned (even though allowing yourself the convenience was in your best interests.)  Calcutta income can be fixed, you never did Italy, thus, but tournament rules, it is legal to fix their income.

Are you going or not?

[BigBadBruce]

@Cmdr:

even though you made it a legal move by screwing up the board.

WRONG!
It is not a legal more. You were wrong to think so, you were wrong arguying you could and then you were wrong claiming your troops were aboard your transport.

Denying any of this is a lie. Admit it!

@Cmdr:

even though allowing yourself the convenience was in your best interests

WRONG!
You were wrong playing France before Italy, as per your own rules (in bold red!) not to move France before German. How can you think moving before ITALY is at my convience??

@Cmdr:

Calcutta income can be fixed, you never did Italy, thus, but tournament rules, it is legal to fix their income.

WRONG!
On the contrary, rules state the faulty player is binded with his miscalculation.

[Jennifer]

You are making issues that do not exist.

YOU moved the pieces then YOU complained I moved them legally after that.  I did go back and fix it to how I had originally intended them to be.

I gave you a gift and did France, you bitched about it, so I moved them back.

The rules specifically say you can repair issues that you find incorrect within a time frame.

Map inconsistencies are considered permanent upon your next action. (ie, if Japan forgot to update their money from 31 IPC to 45 IPC and the player bought units for Italy, then Japan only has 31 IPC to spend on their next turn.)  This rule is to protect your opponents.  It is often difficult for players to adequatly account for incorrect issues on the map.  Your errors cannot help you.  If you forget to switch a battleship to damaged, your opponent does not have to fire twice to sink it if he remembers it is damaged.

Calcutta’s income collection happened before Russia’s next turn.  Per the rules correcting the money is legal.  Per the rules, correcting the American units AFTER YOU SCREWED THEM UP is also legal.  Notice the written example in the text is for Italy being corrected before Japan’s turn.  It does not say Germany’s turn because that is a consecutive nation, for all intents and purposes.  Everyone else seems to understand this BUT YOU.

Yes, per the rules France has to wait.

I have not argued against anything here.  You are side tracking, attempting to make issues up that do not exist.  Trying every possible thing you can do EXCEPT PLAYING YOUR TURN WITH THE MAP PROVIDED.    I think this is because you have realized you cannot win, so instead of actually playing you are hoping you can piss me off to the point I quit playing, then you can pretend to be this wizard as you did with the American Pac-Strat game where you came up with all this bullshit until I just stopped playing with you.

Play.  Quit.  I don’t care really.  But whatever the case, you are in violation of the Turns until such time as you post Italy’s round.  Any more game delays will result in your forfeit - per tournament rules.

[BigBadBruce]

@Cmdr:

YOU moved the pieces then YOU complained I moved them legally after that.  I did go back and fix it to how I had originally intended them to be.

But what are you talking about??
What pieces I moved? I never complained as such. It’s all in your mind Jenn…

[Jennifer]

@BigBadBruce:

@Cmdr:

YOU moved the pieces then YOU complained I moved them legally after that.  I did go back and fix it to how I had originally intended them to be.

But what are you talking about??
What pieces I moved? I never complained as such. It’s all in your mind Jenn…

You moved the infantry and artillery from where I left them.  You failed to remove the transports as you were required to do.

If you had opened the map, you’d see the units put back on Midway, the transports removed (as they should have been), the Japanese infantry and flag on the Aleutians, the money column fixed and the French fighter back in London. (This last I think you should have just left instead of trying to make an issue out of it.  Now you have to wait for France and I’m of the mindset to wait for the full 71.5 hours just in hopes of you losing your train of thought now, and only because instead of saying “hey, you said you had to wait for France, but that’s cool, I’ll just go ahead with Germany and thanks for helping me out there.”

Or just ignoring it and proceeding with Germany without thanking me for making it easier for you to keep your train of thought by allowing Germany to go consecutively after Italy.

Maybe it’s just me.  I always thought it was a blessing when my opponents said “hey, I went ahead and moved the French units for you.”  If I had to attack something with Italy and there was a French unit there, I would make note of the fact that my opponent had to move his French guy on his turn and then proceeded as if it was not on the territory.  If I lost, then the unit could be stuck there, since it was declared!  (In other words, if you attacked Gibraltar and got a miracle managing to get 4 transports, no planes and a few shore bomardments to kill off 4 ground units and 8 fighters by some wild stretch of the dice, then the French fighter might have been forced to move elsewhere.)

[Gargantua]

Sorry,

But I’m with Bruce here…

Are you guys going to continue?

[Jennifer]

@Gargantua:

Sorry,

But I’m with Bruce here…

Are you guys going to continue?

You’re with Bruce what, exactly?  That, despite the fact that HE moved MY pieces around and the fact that I immediately altered everything due to HIS fuckup, that he’s somehow still got a complaint to stand on?

Seriously?  We start out with him saying “Hey, I fucked up the board on purpose and now you made a mistake on it.”  Me saying “Fine it’s fixed, but you shouldnt be fucking up the board on purpose.”  And him digressing into attacks and you support that, Garg?

[Jennifer]

For the record, if someone puts a German bomber in Germany and that person plays an allies country (USA, USSR, UK, ANZAC, etc) then you cannot complain that the Germans use the bomber on their turn.

That’s the crux of the whole argument.  BBB moved my shit and placed extra transports into a sea zone that should not have been there, then cried when I used them.

[BigBadBruce]

@Cmdr:

That, despite the fact that HE moved MY pieces around and the fact that I immediately altered everything due to HIS fuckup, that he’s somehow still got a complaint to stand on?

This is such a huge freaking LIE. And I see you posting this LIE over other posts.
I never moved your pieces… your OWN upload (see  Reply #43 on: 2011-09-25, 17:13:26 ») proves it. Those pieces on my JAP5 are at the same place. Exact same place. So really, what did I moved??

So really, JEN, when you argue on such crazy thing, with such easy proof you dismantle your argument… but you still saying false things like that… really, what credibility do you have?? Beside as Moderator… really?!?

In ALL my other games, I’m easy going, I barely argued on anything, my history shows it. But you… you are so wrong, but will never realize it. Never. On anything. oh well, I’m so tired of you.

[Jennifer]

BBB,

Second delay of game Warning.

You have all the changes you requested, despite the mix up being your fault.

Another delay of game will result in your forfeiture due to my assumption you now feel that you can no longer win and that you are intentionally trying to delay the game and piss off your opponent in hopes she will quit and leave.

Play or surrender.