• James and Jennifer,

    After reading some of your posts, I’m very interested to see what USA (allies in general) would do after a coordinated G3/4 Sealion and a J3 Hawaii, DEI, FIC strategy.  Next time we play I have a feeling the Allies in our group are in for a rough game.

    Question: Does Germany attacking Scotland (staging for Sealion) bring USA into the war?


  • Germany taking Scotland does not bring the US into the war.  Only taking London will do that for Sea Lion.


  • Going for HAwaii and Sealion is kind of poker game. I mean, can work but if not, defeat is near thats why i dont like those kind of attack. All in assault againts the hot spots.


  • :mrgreen:

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    To my knowledge, taking London doesn’t bring America into the war early, of course, I dont have the rule book memorized either.

    Probably moot, earliest you can take London is G3 and America can declare in R3 anyway.


  • @Cmdr:

    To my knowledge, taking London doesn’t bring America into the war early, of course, I dont have the rule book memorized either.

    Probably moot, earliest you can take London is G3 and America can declare in R3 anyway.

    Per ALPHA rules, a take over of London (or an attack on any territory in north america) allows the US to declare war at it’s earliest convenience.  Per OOB rules, the US cannot declare war until end of turn US3 unless an axis power declares war on the US first.


  • @kcdzim:

    @Cmdr:

    To my knowledge, taking London doesn’t bring America into the war early, of course, I dont have the rule book memorized either.

    Probably moot, earliest you can take London is G3 and America can declare in R3 anyway.

    Per OOB rules, a take over of London (or an attack on any territory in north america) allows the US to declare war at it’s earliest convenience.  Per OOB rules, the US cannot declare war until end of turn US3 unless an axis power declares war on the US first.

    I think you mean “Per Alpha rules” instead of “Per OOB rules”….London or North America in Alpha permits an early DOW by the US. Scotland does not if I understand the rules properly.


  • @JamesAleman:

    @kcdzim:

    @Cmdr:

    To my knowledge, taking London doesn’t bring America into the war early, of course, I dont have the rule book memorized either.

    Probably moot, earliest you can take London is G3 and America can declare in R3 anyway.

    Per OOB rules, a take over of London (or an attack on any territory in north america) allows the US to declare war at it’s earliest convenience.  Per OOB rules, the US cannot declare war until end of turn US3 unless an axis power declares war on the US first.

    I think you mean “Per Alpha rules” instead of “Per OOB rules”….London or North America in Alpha permits an early DOW by the US. Scotland does not if I understand the rules properly.

    Yes, sorry, fixed, tired.

    An attack on the UK (territory) or Scotland won’t affect US DOWs, nor a takeover of Scotland.  Only a complete sacking of London will set off the US.  Or a violation of the Monroe Doctrine (any attack on north american territories, successful or no).


  • @kcdzim:

    @JamesAleman:

    @kcdzim:

    @Cmdr:

    To my knowledge, taking London doesn’t bring America into the war early, of course, I dont have the rule book memorized either.

    Probably moot, earliest you can take London is G3 and America can declare in R3 anyway.

    Per OOB rules, a take over of London (or an attack on any territory in north america) allows the US to declare war at it’s earliest convenience.  Per OOB rules, the US cannot declare war until end of turn US3 unless an axis power declares war on the US first.

    I think you mean “Per Alpha rules” instead of “Per OOB rules”….London or North America in Alpha permits an early DOW by the US. Scotland does not if I understand the rules properly.

    Yes, sorry, fixed, tired.

    An attack on the UK (territory) or Scotland won’t affect US DOWs, nor a takeover of Scotland.  Only a complete sacking of London will set off the US.  Or a violation of the Monroe Doctrine (any attack on north american territories, successful or no).

    Speaking of the Monroe doctrine, it would make sense to include South America here too but I doubt it would affect the game.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    It might, if I played OOB, because I like to take Brazil for Italy or Germany.


  • @Cmdr:

    Can America virtually ignore the Pacific without letting Japan win with Victory Cities?

    The last game I played was like this.  USA built mostly in the alantic to re capture UK after sealion,  after a litlle Italy and Germany screwaround USA was then too weak to come back japan took India and Hawaii enforce to seal the deal
    My

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Well, the American ships in SZ 101 are pretty close to SZ 26 and SZ 10.

    I was hoping an American build up in SZ 101 might dissuade a Sea Lion and press Germany into a Barbarossa.  Then, on round 3, when it’s too late really, move the ships down and be in range of Hawaii on US 4.

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