How much can be bled? Convoy disruption question.

[Gargantua]

Scotland and London.

Sz109 services both Scotland and London and has a convoy zone marker - it can be bled 8 IPC’s if under convoy disruption.

Sz119 services Scotland and has a convoy zone marker - and it can be bled 2 IPC’s if under convoy disruption.

The question is, if I have 4 subs in Sz119 and 1 sub in Sz109, is Britain bled 10 IPC’s?

[calvinhobbesliker]

No, only 8.

[special forces]

8, although the rulebook seems not all water tight about it…

edit:

actually, might be 10…
“each disrupted convoy can’t lose more IPC’s than the total IPC value of controlled territories or islands adjacent to the sea zone”

“zone”, not plural, so…

[eudemonist]

Hmm…we’ve been playing it as 10.  Could be wrong, though.

[Gargantua]

Exactly my point…

LOL imagine collecting - IPC’s?  That would be interesting…  you LOSE that unit to pay your bills!

[Krieghund]

UK can lose only 2 IPCs from sea zone 119, as it only touches Scotland.  It can lose 8 IPCs from sea zone 109, as it touches both Scotland and United Kingdom.

4 subs in sea zone 119 and 1 sub in sea zone 109 will result in a reduction in income of 4 IPCs for UK.  However, 4 subs in sea zone 109 and 1 sub in sea zone 119 would result in a reduction in income of 10 IPCs.  In any case, income may not be reduced below zero.

[special forces]

So in theory you can take 4 from Greece too, and 2 from Syria?

[Krieghund]

Yes.

[Gargantua]

Damnit, if only I had known that last game, I would have made England pay that much more!

EDIT*

No, only 8.

I am glad that this is not the official ruling, Having the ability to ultra-reduce a countries income with subs add’s more depth to strategic gameplay.  Especially for Germany.

[Bigtiti]

what??

[special forces]

don’t worry too much about this scenario actually fully happening.
Germany needs to buy plenty of subs for this bleeding operation (less IPC’s going to russia), and they know a sub fleet (in 109) can be taken with 1 DD + lots of aircraft (which can’t get hit, so Allies risk only a DD).

But if there are no planes in UK, thàt is a whole different story

[Gargantua]

But if there are no planes in UK, thàt is a whole different story

That’s part of the strategy :)  And how can they build planes? When their income is sub 20.

And who said the Germans would be the only ones with subs out there?

[special forces]

italian subs? kinky!

[Gargantua]

Tasty is a better description :)

[Bigtiti]

how the hell can you bock resources that are already blocked?
how can scotland be blocked for 4 IPC???
it’s madness i tell you…

and i already thought there were far to many convoys in the game…

[Bigtiti]

@Krieghund:

Yes.

that can’t be possible
please put it in errata, or ask harry
but if you start to lose money in this game by taking territories (eg, Greece gets subtracted 4 IPC every round), than there’s something wrong…