We’ll see. I’m just super afraid it’ll increase American morale if I attacked first. Worth a shot though as morale never undermined most campaigns on either side.
Odd politics question
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Anyway an Italian land unit need 4 turns to get to Russia in the first place, and by then they all are in war anyway.
Transport into SZ100 and attack any one of 4 (?) russian Territories starting in round 1 (if you have a fleet left and access to SZ100 of course).
If you can’t transport, then I count 3 turns, not 4.
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Tank in NIta can go to Slovakia I1 and invade Russia I2.
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Tank in NIta can go to Slovakia I1 and invade Russia I2.
Yes indeed it can, but do you think that tank can also capture a Russian territory ?, since that is part of the topic question, man.
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Tank in NIta can go to Slovakia I1 and invade Russia I2.
Yes indeed it can, but do you think that tank can also capture a Russian territory ?, since that is part of the topic question, man.
Well, actually, it’s not. The topic was Can German enter a Russian territory that has been Captured by Italy without declaring war on Russia. Nothing to do with the probability or likelyhood of Italy capturing a Russian territory or how it can be achieved before Germany/Russia are already at war.
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In a lot of the games I have seen, Russia just leaves 1 Inf. on each boarder territory with Germany. 1 Italian Tank can certainly win against 1 INF.
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In a lot of the games I have seen, Russia just leaves 1 Inf. on each boarder territory with Germany. 1 Italian Tank can certainly win against 1 INF.
Why waste 3 inf? Let small numbers of German tanks invade 2 tt into Russia and be taken out.
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In a lot of the games I have seen, Russia just leaves 1 Inf. on each boarder territory with Germany. 1 Italian Tank can certainly win against 1 INF.
Why waste 3 inf? Let small numbers of German tanks invade 2 tt into Russia and be taken out.
There are a couple of reasons why this happens.
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Russia cannot defend thier front line against Germany. If they concentrate, Germany avoids them, if they spread out in medium groups they get “piece-mealed.”
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The Russian player wants to stop blitzing. This means that for at least a round they can prevent German tanks from getting easy, undefended second-row Russian territories.
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Bait; the Russian player can try and bait the Germans into moving to easier, less defended spots.
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Force the Italians to be the can-opener. Better to fight the Italians with Russia than have the Italian tanks in Africa.
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The Germans may decided NOT to go two Territories and you have lost your front row for nothing.
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You only want germany to move one territory per turn. The Infantry are speed bumps.
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The original point that I was addressing was “can 1 Italian Tank take a Russian Territory so that the Germans can move in to a “Russian” Territory (now italian) with out declaring War.” The Answer is Yes. I’ve seen it done on more than one occasion.
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In a lot of the games I have seen, Russia just leaves 1 Inf. on each boarder territory with Germany. 1 Italian Tank can certainly win against 1 INF.
Yes but the Russian inf still can kill a tank and so the Italians won’t be able to occupy the territory until later and so Germany would have to capture it and this doesn’t work. Also why risk 3 ipc for a 1 ipc-2 ipc gain? Because this means Su DOWS and uses the reserves behind the front line or in Stalin and Lenin to recapture and Germany + 5 ipc but then SU will get NO because 125 will not be occupied by Axis if Germany plays Sealion
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In a lot of the games I have seen, Russia just leaves 1 Inf. on each boarder territory with Germany. 1 Italian Tank can certainly win against 1 INF.
Yes but the Russian inf still can kill a tank and so the Italians won’t be able to occupy the territory until later and so Germany would have to capture it and this doesn’t work. Also why risk 3 ipc for a 1 ipc-2 ipc gain? Because this means Su DOWS and uses the reserves behind the front line or in Stalin and Lenin to recapture and Germany + 5 ipc but then SU will get NO because 125 will not be occupied by Axis if Germany plays Sealion
The original question wasn’t “why,” it was “can you….” I think the why has been answered earlier in the thread. Basically it comes down to can you exploit a mistake or a short comming of Russia by doing this. So sometimes it’s good move, and other times it won’t be.
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Calvin’s right.
Kreig must have to have his rulebooks laminated, all the fact finding he has to do for us, lol.
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Calvin’s right.
If Germany were helping to occupy a territory that was originaly Soviet, would that not be an act of war?
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No, it wouldn’t.
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No, it wouldn’t.
That sure makes no sense to me, Kev. :?
Page 10 in the book states that Germany and Italy is allied, and they have to be in order to share a territory. So how can a neutral be at war with one power but not his allied friend ? It sure dont work that way in the Pacific, if Japan attack neutral DEI, then Japan is suddenly at war with everybody, even neutral USA. And if it was the other way around, that Russia attacked Italy, then I am pretty sure that Russia would automatically be at war with Germany also.
Come to think about it, when Japan attacked Pearl Harbour dec 7 -41, then Germany and Italy also declared war on USA instantly. If Italy by some odd reason had attacked Russia in 1940, and even through German territories, and even with German soldiers moving in to support the Italian agressors, then I can hardly imagine that Germany would not automatically be at war with Russia.
If Italy attack neutral Spain, then neutral Sweden, Turkey and Afghanistan is at war with both Germany and Italy.
But if Italy attack Russia, then only Italy is at war, not Germany.
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It sure dont work that way in the Pacific, if Japan attack neutral DEI, then Japan is suddenly at war with everybody, even neutral USA.
Not immediately. Japan is only at war with UK/ANZAC. The US is allowed to declare war on Japan on its next turn. The same thing applies here. If Italy declares war on the USSR, the USSR is allowed to declare war on Germany on its next turn, but it is not immediately at war with Germany.
And if it was the other way around, that Russia attacked Italy, then I am pretty sure that Russia would automatically be at war with Germany also.
No, but Germany could declare war on the USSR on its next turn.
If Italy attack USA, is only Italy at war with USA then ? Germany is not ?
Correct. However, either Germany or USA may declare war on the other on their next turn.
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