Sealion Version 1.0

[special forces]

happy jezusmas

[rocknroll]

happy new year!

i want to bring in another interesting fact. once i played the allies in a pbem-game. the axis-player took UK in round 4 absolutely with no chance of failling.
and i never intended to retake it as the allies. and actually could manage my forces to threaten the axis on several fronts (as uk itself, germany, the french shores of the channel, italy etc.) by massively summoning american troops near gibraltar (10 transports, fleet, planes).
(if i wouln´t have made a mistake my opponent would have cancelled the game, he saw no chance for winning sake of he underestimated the defence-abilities of the USSR.)

this said, i think: let the german take over uk. this material there is wasted. wasted in the manner not being able to knock out russia.

what you guys think?

rock`n roll

p.s. as the allies i killed the starting german fleet and managed to take out most of the luftwaffe. i stationed some subs at uk do decrease the income to 2 ipc for the british isles. and: i like to use kind of guerilla tactics which means taking a important country as norway just for forcing germany to divide its armies. usually this works quite well.

[special forces]

Did you allow italy to take most of the british territories so you could retake (and claim) them with the USA?

I think if you can smother the UK IPC’s with american subs then it might indeed be a good idea to leave britain for what it is. And with some threatening forces closeby (who don’t have to go in) you might even make Germany buy units to stock in the UK, which is good for Russia.

[rocknroll]

no, only in northern africa. italy has been defeated in egypt. big lucky moment in this very game, so germany had to go fully for russia and got threatened in w.germany…so… :-D

[special forces]

Waw, hard on the italians… but that means there are a lot of allied IPC’s not in use in the game.

I think unless most British territories are lost (and for grabs for USA) i’d still go for retaking UK (especially in this case where Egypt didn’t fall), unless there is another urgent plan or good idea in progress at that moment.

edit: also for team punching (1-2) UK is enough valuable to be liberated,  i think

[rocknroll]

yeah, i saw that too. the factory in n.italy got bombed to 12 damage-points. and my idea has been, to go to s.italy, although there were plenty italian troops in n.italy (near 15 inf etc.). just for taking away one round of cash (20 ipc) from italy. germany would have had to protect italy as well, which means that a landing in britain after that could have been more attractive.

what do you think?

see below: map

plan.AAM

[special forces]

Keep in mind that there is up to 12 IPC of convoy points in SZ97.

Seizing a capital is always really good, even if you get booted out the next turn :)

[Sir Bombsalot]

It seems to me that if I play Italy right, I should almost never lose Rome.

For example,
by turn 4, land at least one unit in Gibraltar. 
If Gibraltar is taken, move a destroyer to SZ 92 in turn 5 and begin turtling with infantry. 
If 92 taken, move destroyers to SZ 93, 94 and continue turtling with infantry and tanks in turn 6. 
If 93 taken, either attack with fleet and fighters and Tac bombers, or just turtle in Italy.  Also, move a destroyer to SZ 92 for good measure to cut off any movement by the American fleet, which has now been out of any serious combat for 3 rounds, and if the Axis aren’t kicking butt by turn 7, they never will.

Of course, none of this will work if Italy loses its fleet early on, and it may be cut short by a round if UK sends in bombers in turn 6 to clear the way for the US (bombers land in Gibraltar).  But that Italian land force should be sufficient to hold back the US’s first round of assaults and the time spent by the U.S. fleet in the Med buys more time for Germany to take Russia.

[rocknroll]

what about the british part of the game?

if they launch an attack on your blocking destroyer, the US can easily march through your “blockade”, because there is no one more left.

so you need help from germany in any way. without it, you cannot resist a well-planed amphibious assault.

“1-2-punch” is the magic word behind it. (it works for the allies, as for the axis)

rock`n roll

[Sir Bombsalot]

Italy’s turn is after the UK and before the US, so if the UK takes out a destroyer, you have to have one in reserve to move up on Italy’s turn.  You should actually always have 2 destroyers in reserve to block the entire Mediterranean after the US gets that first SZ in the Med.

[rocknroll]

this is what i mean: you are forced to buy things you, maybe, don´t want to buy.
uk takes out some destroyer. so you rebuy one as italy, have to place it at the capital. (cannnot move those unit, actually). in this manner the way for the us CAN be freed of any italian block. if not, then your builds and moves have been wise ones. ;)

the other way round, an italian navy can support quite well a german sealion by protecting the needed transporters etc.

[Sir Bombsalot]

this is what i mean: you are forced to buy things you, maybe, don´t want to buy.

Rock n Roll,  the strategy of stalling the US incursion into the Med with destroyers only works for those who want to avoid the capture of Rome, or by those who are forced to do so by a heavy-handed Fuhrer.  If you don’t want to by a few destroyers, fine.  Then, buy infantry and turtle up, because the US is coming into the Med.  That’s a valid strategy, too (turtling up, that is).

[rocknroll]

maybe i have been misunderstood a bit.

but, back to topic: sealion version 1.0 ;)

[Graunie]

So how does this change with scrambles?  I’m thinking that UK could really throw a wrench in the plan by scrambling on SZ110.  I guess you could still go around to SZ109.  Also, as Germany would you just withdrawal so you don’t lose your fighters?

[billinjackson]

Sorry not on the lingo but what are these purchases?1 CV, 1 SS, 1 AP

Thanks

[JamesAleman]

@billinjackson:

Sorry not on the lingo but what are these purchases?1 CV, 1 SS, 1 AP

Thanks

cv=aircraft carrier
ss=submarine
ap=transport I believe, that is an odd one

[kcdzim]

@JamesAleman:

@billinjackson:

Sorry not on the lingo but what are these purchases?1 CV, 1 SS, 1 AP

Thanks

cv=aircraft carrier
ss=submarine
ap=transport I believe, that is an odd one

It’s not that odd.  Un-armed naval ships are generally called Auxilary ______.  AP stands for Auxiliary - Personnel (or passenger), I believe.