Submarines in a Convoy Sea Zone

[WILD BILL]

@calvinhobbesliker:

@WILD:

I have another question concerning China (just making sure I have it right). UK moves a unit into China. Rules say that Jap considers this an act of war against it. Jap wasn’t directly attacked though, so it would have to declare war on its own turn when it comes around (if it wants to). If there are Jap ships in UK/Anz convoys at the time they would not be able to raid them right (until after Jap gives its official DOW in the future). So for this turn (when UK moved into China), the UK/Anz would not need to worry about the convoy zones.

I think the rule is “Japan considers movement into China as a DOW against it.” Thus, you’d have to declare war on Japan to move into China

@Krieghund:

Statements about “acts of war” in the rules are just “flavor” text.  If you look at UK’s political rules, you’ll see that it’s not allowed to move units into China without first declaring war on Japan.

Yea I knew UK first had to do a DOW on Japan. I was thinking that because there was no direct attack on Japan, it would have to wait to reciprocate the DOW. The good news is that your statement for the FAQ also clears this up.

[rocknroll]

well…
i have a question about subs and convoi raids. special case: mediterranian sea seazone 97.
i am playing the allied forces. i have an american sub there, germany occupied yugoslavia, italy greece.

i am convinced that my sub does affect ALL territories adjectant to that seazone mentioned above. (which means, n. italy, s.italy, yugoslavia, albania, greece and therefore taking 9 ipcs away from italy and 2 from germany)

what do you guys think? is this true or false?

rock`n roll

[calvinhobbesliker]

You take away 2 ipcs from Italy and 2 from Germany.

[Gargantua]

What about fighters on an Aircraft Carrier?

They are technically part of your navy.

Do they count as -1?

Aircraft certainly could shoot convoys into the bottom of the sea…

[calvinhobbesliker]

Aircraft do no raid convoys.

[Krieghund]

Planes on carriers are just assumed to be part of the carriers’ raiding capability, so they aren’t counted separately.

[rocknroll]

another question(s):

let´s assume there two german subs in sz 109 and a german one in sz 119. how many ipcs germany could take uk away? how many scottland? (since sz 109 and 119 are neighbouring scottland it can be up to 4 ipcs, right? or is there a limit set?)

or is the convoy of sz 109 only connected to uk and the one of sz 119 to scottland?

rock`n roll

[calvinhobbesliker]

6 ipcs are taken from the UK

[calvinhobbesliker]

Scotland damage is limited to 2, the ipc value of Scotland. UK damage is thus 4

[Krieghund]

The convoy damage in sea zone 119 is limited to 2 IPCs, as it borders only Scotland.  However, since sea zone 109 borders both United Kingdom and Scotland, the convoy damage there is limited to 8 IPCs.  As Calvinhobbesliker pointed out, neither of these limits is exceeded, so the full 6 IPCs of damage is incurred.

[rocknroll]

but i can inflict up to 10 ipcs of damage in these two seazones, right?

[Krieghund]

Yes, up to 2 in 119 and up to 8 in 109.