Bob_A_Mickelson's AAG40 National Production/Objectives and Setup Charts

[UN Spacy]

You need to get a Legion of Honor, Bob.

[SilverAngelSurfer]

Plus I hope there are other NOs for some of the countries besides Germany and the Soviets…  :-P

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

@Admiral:

Brilliant!

Though, my gut is telling me that the income chart will need to be a bit higher than 75 ipcs. But then again, since the American ipc increase is actually a national objective, it could indeed all work out.

I understand you point of view. Unfortunately the chart is already 9 1/2" by 16 3/4" (slightly bigger than the old AAP income chart) and I’m not sure I am willing to make it any bigger. I would prefer the chart going to 100 but its already pretty massive.  My current line of thought follows krieg’s where the National Production Chart is only for national production IPCs only. The National Objectives chart will track bonus IPCs separately.

I am open to suggestions.

@SAS:

Plus I hope there are other NOs for some of the countries besides Germany and the Soviets…  :-P

I hope so too. I suspect some were probably forgotten. When we have an official list i’ll modify the chart to reflect any changes necessary.

[kcdzim]

For complete clarity, the starting UK setup board should show two seperate incomes, not a single income, should it not?  Or two setup boards?  While the total may be 45, it can never be spent as that sum and the specific starting totals seem more appropriate if you use these with people who have never played.

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

@kcdzim:

For complete clarity, the starting UK setup board should show two seperate incomes, not a single income, should it not?  Or two setup boards?  While the total may be 45, it can never be spent as that sum and the specific starting totals seem more appropriate if you use these with people who have never played.

You are correct. This update is on the “to do list”.

@cminke:

the union jack is for pacific and the other is for europe. Correct?

bob… what size of paper is this for?

The Union Jack is for UK pacific. This can be changed if the rulebook states the roundels are meant to be used the other way around.

Common paper sizes for printing Global National Production Chart.
American Photo Paper sizes - use S11R (11" x 17") or S12R (12" x 17").
American Standard Paper sizes - use Ledger (17" x 11")or Tabloid paper (11" x 12").  
ISO Series Paper sizes - use A3 (11.7" x 16.5" - need to print image at 98%), B3 (13.9" x 19.7"), or (12.8" x 18.0")

[Zenosco]

Thank you in advance for the updated versions for AAG40 these charts and aids are excellent work.  I love using the ones you made for AAP40 and everyone always asks me where I got them.  Thanks again and keep up the great service you provide to the AA fan base.

[SilverAngelSurfer]

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

I understand you point of view. Unfortunately the chart is already 9 1/2" by 16 3/4" (slightly bigger than the old AAP income chart) and I’m not sure I am willing to make it any bigger. I would prefer the chart going to 100 but its already pretty massive.

I am open to suggestions.

Well here’s what I was thinking, your current chart is 5 roundels deep by 15 roundels wide, funcioneta suggested on another thread that doing a chart with a section for 1s and 10s would save space so why not start by setting the chart up like this:

0    5    10    60
1    6    20    70
2    7    30    80
3    8    40    90
4    9    50    100

We already know that Europe comes with two Union Jack roundels for UK Pacific, so you would just put one on the 10 and one on the 6 and you’ve got the UK Pacific income.

However, this tiny chart would get really crowded with 10 powers (counting UK Europe and UK Pacific as separate since they are on the income chart) with 2 roundels each on the board, plus we’ve only used 4 of the 15 columns you currently have, so we could potentially even have 3 of these charts: one for the 3 Axis powers (Germany, Italy, Japan), one for the 3 major Allied powers (USSR, UK Europe, USA), and one for the 4 minor Allied powers (UK Pacific, ANZAC, China, France).

The last chart for the minor powers could even only include 0-9 and 10 and 20, since one of these powers would have to get really lucky to be earning more than 30 in a game.  This would leave plenty of room for extra NOs and such. 8-)

[Emperor_Taiki]

These look great!

We didnt play with techs at GenCon, but I do remmeber reading the tech rules. Long Range aircraft only increases range by 1. And with heavy bombers you pick the better of two dice. Its seems much more balanced now.

[The Fire Knight]

@SAS:

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

I understand you point of view. Unfortunately the chart is already 9 1/2" by 16 3/4" (slightly bigger than the old AAP income chart) and I’m not sure I am willing to make it any bigger. I would prefer the chart going to 100 but its already pretty massive.

I am open to suggestions.

Well here’s what I was thinking, your current chart is 5 roundels deep by 15 roundels wide, funcioneta suggested on another thread that doing a chart with a section for 1s and 10s would save space so why not start by setting the chart up like this:

0     5     10     60
1     6     20     70
2     7     30     80
3     8     40     90
4     9     50     100

We already know that Europe comes with two Union Jack roundels for UK Pacific, so you would just put one on the 10 and one on the 6 and you’ve got the UK Pacific income.

However, this tiny chart would get really crowded with 10 powers (counting UK Europe and UK Pacific as separate since they are on the income chart) with 2 roundels each on the board, plus we’ve only used 4 of the 15 columns you currently have, so we could potentially even have 3 of these charts: one for the 3 Axis powers (Germany, Italy, Japan), one for the 3 major Allied powers (USSR, UK Europe, USA), and one for the 4 minor Allied powers (UK Pacific, ANZAC, China, France).

The last chart for the minor powers could even only include 0-9 and 10 and 20, since one of these powers would have to get really lucky to be earning more than 30 in a game.  This would leave plenty of room for extra NOs and such. 8-)

I disagree. With so few numbers, a lot of powers would be on top of each other, which is always annoying to me when changing income and such.

[SilverAngelSurfer]

@The:

I disagree. With so few numbers, a lot of powers would be on top of each other, which is always annoying to me when changing income and such.

Which is why I suggest using 3 charts.  Though I suppose the minor powers chart would have all 4 of them having 1 roundel on the 10 space. :|  However, you still have powers overlapping with a typical chart anyway.  You could always group the powers differently so as to avoid extra overlap.  Such as Axis (Germany, Italy, Japan), Allies 1 (UKE, UKP, USA, France), and Allies 2 (USSR, China, ANZAC).  That way you would only have at most 2 minor powers that would have the likely possibility of overlapping, plus each chart has a power that is likely to go below 10 relatively quickly (France and China) decreasing the amount of overlap further.

Perhaps this makes it overly complicated, but it’s what I came up with for making the chart go to 100 without increasing the size.

Alternately it could be 4 rows with 5 columns each, 3 charts.  Then it would be the same width as previously, but you gain a row for NOs.

Axis                           Allies 1                         Allies 2
0   4   8     30   70        0   4   8     30   70        0   4   8     30   70
1   5   9     40   80        1   5   9     40   80        1   5   9     40   80
2   6   10   50   90        2   6   10   50   90         2   6   10   50   90
3   7   20   60   100       3   7   20   60   100       3   7   20   60   100

[The Fire Knight]

I suppose that would work, although my stubbornness says keep it the same.

[SilverAngelSurfer]

Hey, I kinda like having individual numbers too, but it certainly does take up a lot of space on a card (or the board ala Spring 1942).  Besides, it’s just a suggestion; it’s all up to Bob.

I’m also not sure of the actual value of taking up so much space having a separate roundel space for each German territory the Soviets might get an NO for, it seems to me that it’s probable that they won’t get more than one or two boosts from that NO toward the end of the game (if at all if Japan decides to harrass them in Siberia); though again we run into how to mark each instance on the board… :|

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

@SAS:

@The:

I disagree. With so few numbers, a lot of powers would be on top of each other, which is always annoying to me when changing income and such.

Which is why I suggest using 3 charts.  Though I suppose the minor powers chart would have all 4 of them having 1 roundel on the 10 space. :|  However, you still have powers overlapping with a typical chart anyway.  You could always group the powers differently so as to avoid extra overlap.  Such as Axis (Germany, Italy, Japan), Allies 1 (UKE, UKP, USA, France), and Allies 2 (USSR, China, ANZAC).  That way you would only have at most 2 minor powers that would have the likely possibility of overlapping, plus each chart has a power that is likely to go below 10 relatively quickly (France and China) decreasing the amount of overlap further.

Perhaps this makes it overly complicated, but it’s what I came up with for making the chart go to 100 without increasing the size.

Alternately it could be 4 rows with 5 columns each, 3 charts.  Then it would be the same width as previously, but you gain a row for NOs.

Axis                           Allies 1                         Allies 2
0   4   8     30   70        0   4   8     30   70        0   4   8     30   70
1   5   9     40   80        1   5   9     40   80        1   5   9     40   80
2   6   10   50   90        2   6   10   50   90         2   6   10   50   90
3   7   20   60   100       3   7   20   60   100       3   7   20   60   100

Interesting idea. but I think the group consensus is to stay with the current style. So no radical changes today. Great idea though.

@Emperor_Taiki:

Long Range aircraft only increases range by 1. And with heavy bombers you pick the better of two dice. Its seems much more balanced now.

My home version has been updated.
Do you know the the Increased factory production rules? My current version is just a guess.
Is Jet fighters correct?

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

UPDATE: August 10, 2010
    Here are the low resolution screenshots based on additional information and corrections submitted by those who played the game at Gen-Con.
Thanks for everyone who has helped. As always if you notice any errors or inconsistencies please let me know.

P.S. I am already working on the Diplomacy / Nation Specific rules charts. Once again these will be based on information available. An official release will be issued after I read and review the rulebook.

[Charts have been updated. See first thread entry.]

[Emperor_Taiki]

Jet fighters is correct. So is increased factory production, except it also allows you to repair at half cost.

Back too the +5 Soviet NO, another condition is that sea zone 125 is free of enemy warships ships.

[Bob_A_Mickelson]

@Emperor_Taiki:

Jet fighters is correct. So is increased factory production, except it also allows you to repair at half cost.

So do the 1/2 cost damage repairs apply to all facilities or just industrial complexes?

@Emperor_Taiki:

Back too the +5 Soviet NO, another condition is that sea zone 125 is free of enemy warships ships

That NO keeps getting harder and harder to fit in the space provided.

[Mysterious Sexual]

@Bob_A_Mickelson:

@SAS:

@The:

I disagree. With so few numbers, a lot of powers would be on top of each other, which is always annoying to me when changing income and such.

Which is why I suggest using 3 charts.  Though I suppose the minor powers chart would have all 4 of them having 1 roundel on the 10 space. :|  However, you still have powers overlapping with a typical chart anyway.  You could always group the powers differently so as to avoid extra overlap.  Such as Axis (Germany, Italy, Japan), Allies 1 (UKE, UKP, USA, France), and Allies 2 (USSR, China, ANZAC).  That way you would only have at most 2 minor powers that would have the likely possibility of overlapping, plus each chart has a power that is likely to go below 10 relatively quickly (France and China) decreasing the amount of overlap further.

Perhaps this makes it overly complicated, but it’s what I came up with for making the chart go to 100 without increasing the size.

Alternately it could be 4 rows with 5 columns each, 3 charts.  Then it would be the same width as previously, but you gain a row for NOs.

Axis                          Allies 1                        Allies 2
0  4  8    30  70        0  4  8    30  70        0  4  8    30  70
1  5  9    40  80        1  5  9    40  80        1  5  9    40  80
2  6  10  50  90        2  6  10  50  90        2  6  10  50  90
3  7  20  60  100      3  7  20  60  100      3  7  20  60  100

Interesting idea. but I think the group consensus is to stay with the current style. So no radical changes today. Great idea though.

@Emperor_Taiki:

Long Range aircraft only increases range by 1. And with heavy bombers you pick the better of two dice. Its seems much more balanced now.

My home version has been updated.
Do you know the the Increased factory production rules? My current version is just a guess.
Is Jet fighters correct?

What if instead of the charts, you have National Control markers with a number in the 10’s layered on top of the marker that could be added to the current production space.

Example: the US exceeds 75IPCs on the National Production Chart; it gained 10 IPCs in conquered territory.

US National Control Marker with a ‘(10)’, is placed over the 75 IPC limit giving it a sum of 85 IPCs

[calvinhobbesliker]

Shouldn’t the Union Jack be used for Britain proper since it IS their flag?

[Seven_Patch]

@calvinhobbesliker:

Shouldn’t the Union Jack be used for Britain proper since it IS their flag?

I thought it would be that way also.

[Flashman]

They should’ve used the RAF Roundel with the red centre painted out - to avoid confusion with Japanese sun symbol for short sighted American pilots.