@jejedada Merci pour le travail !
French Infantry Models
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@UN:
I think it’s stupid that the Soviet battleship and cruiser are dedicated, whereas the French will be using all British/American naval sculpts. France had the 4th biggest navy in the world, and whereas the French Army wasn’t top notch, the Navy was in 1940. The Soviet navy was bottled up for the majority of the war, so why do the Soviets get dedicated ships and the French don’t?
Agreed.
But really if you’re going to give France the size of navy it historically had in 1940 then there should be a special Vichy rule as to who controls it once Paris falls.
Otherwise you have the 4th biggest navy swanning around the Med when historically it was on the other side of the surface.
How does WOTC manage that without tipping the balance?
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By reducing the French fleet
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Which will stir up plenty of complaints I’m sure.
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@Dylan:
@UN:
Add to that the fact that Russia will probably start with 1 sub, destroyer, and transport at most, and will never buy a cruiser, carrier, or battleship
Exactly! It’s not like the Soviet player will be relying on his navy alot, whereas the French player’s primary contribuation to the Allies will probably be its navy (and, of course, what French units remain in Africa).
When Germany attacks I would use it to sink anything else in the Baltic.
Dylan, I’ll play you Spring 1942 with me being axis
Sure, when I get home.
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_Don’t care about the size of the french fleet, or canadian soldiers. :-P
It’s a game not a lesson in history. :wink:
So you can ask: where are the millions of soviet soldiers on the board?_
I think WOTC will use the italians infantry for french units.
Italian tanks and artillery. Britisch Planes and ships.
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I was hoping for a French infantry sculpt that would look…… ya know…, FRENCH! I had always invisioned a light Infantry unit wearing an adrian helmet with a long trench coat holding his rifle horizontaly across the mid section of its body, like the propaganda poster I’ve seen.
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@Dylan:
What will the French Infantry look like? Will they be using Japan’s or getting their own, like from the pic we found of the map it looks like Japanese ones painted blue, but I’m not sure
It will either be a soldier waving a white flag or one screaming and running for his life.
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@Brain:
@Dylan:
What will the French Infantry look like? Will they be using Japan’s or getting their own, like from the pic we found of the map it looks like Japanese ones painted blue, but I’m not sure
It will either be a soldier waving a white flag or one screaming and running for his life.
Ah ha! Good one BD!
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Larry has already stated France has a unique infantry mold
It has been supposed by the teaser shot that france uses the USSR tank mold.
I had posted a list of what I supposed the rest of the French roster to be, naming mostly Allied equipment. Krieg had said that at least 50% of my list was correct IIRC.Also, the French fleet will likley use the USSR ship molds that were made for A&A 1942. It would make a WHOLE lot of sense to see those pieces get some use other than taking up space in the USSR storage tray.
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I hope France will use the allied artillery mold.
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@Brain:
@Dylan:
What will the French Infantry look like? Will they be using Japan’s or getting their own, like from the pic we found of the map it looks like Japanese ones painted blue, but I’m not sure
It will either be a soldier waving a white flag or one screaming and running for his life.
Very good idea.
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I hope France will use the allied artillery mold.
Seeing as how you just refered to it as the “allied” artillery mold, I think thats safe bet :wink:
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id actualy like to see them use the japanese mold
and alot of japanese equipment. It looks more 1930’s-esqe, like much of the french army of 1940 -
@Brain:
It will either be a soldier waving a white flag or one screaming and running for his life.
_The British where on the run too on 1940.
The french fought brave in North Africa, Italy and Normandy.
They don’t change sides like the Italians._
Russian tank- and shipmodels for the french? Can’t believe it… :-P
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Dont change sides?
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Dont change sides?
Does Vichy France ring a bell?Does Free France ring a bell?
Also Vichy France never actually joined the Axis, and actually did resist the Germans in more than covert ways.
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Both collaboration with the axis and resistance on the part of the French…id say that qualifies as changing sides.
Talk about the Poles and the Warsaw Rebellion, the Poles resisted through and through. No barganing at the treaty table. That can’t be said of France.
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Both collaboration with the axis and resistance on the part of the French…id say that qualifies as changing sides.
Talk about the Poles and the Warsaw Rebellion, the Poles resisted through and through. No barganing at the treaty table. That can’t be said of France.
When you understand the immense difference between the political situations of both France and Poland both before and during the occupation, you will find every reason why their governments acted differently.
For starters, Poland never got a chance to get to the “treaty table”, Hitler never had any plan to bring them to the “treaty table”. His plans for Poland were much, much more horrific than anything he had in mind for France.
Anyway, this is getting way off-topic. If you want to continue this then PM me.
I think WOTC will use the italians infantry for french units.
WOTC said they’d use dedicated French infantry models…
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The Vichy government much like the Italian Badoglio regime was a different government than the original. People always talk about Italy of switching sides or France collaborating with the Germans while it would really depend on what you’re own view of the true Italian or French government was. The political entities that “switched sides” were very different than the ones that were on the original side in the first place. All governments had ties to both the French and Italian culture. When we get into the politics of the era it becomes less of a game and more of a historical diagram. I see what Larry was trying to do by keeping things simple and making France and Italy stay Allied and Axis respectively and perhaps simplicity is best. Besides people can always add their own house Vichy rules if they get bored.
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id actualy like to see them use the japanese mold
and alot of japanese equipment. It looks more 1930’s-esqe, like much of the french army of 1940Oztea, the French tanks at the start of the war were more modern and superior to thoses of the germans, both in numbers and individual strenght. The french tank divisions fought hard in the Dardennes but the German had significant air superiority, almost if not 3 to 1. It’s the massive Bf-109/Stuka attacks on tanks and artillery positions that spelled doom for France on top of the fact they got totally surprised by a clever manoeuvre. Air superiority would later spell the same doom for Rommels division and even the Japanese Imperial Navy. The point here: There is no valid reason to use ‘‘1930’s esque equipment’’ for France and it’s certainly not why they got beaten.
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@Corbeau:
id actualy like to see them use the japanese mold
and alot of japanese equipment. It looks more 1930’s-esqe, like much of the french army of 1940Oztea, the French tanks at the start of the war were more modern and superior to thoses of the germans, both in numbers and individual strenght. The french tank divisions fought hard in the Dardennes but the German had significant air superiority, almost if not 3 to 1. It’s the massive Bf-109/Stuka attacks on tanks and artillery positions that spelled doom for France on top of the fact they got totally surprised by a clever manoeuvre. Air superiority would later spell the same doom for Rommels division and even the Japanese Imperial Navy. The point here: There is no valid reason to use ‘‘1930’s esque equipment’’ for France and it’s certainly not why they got beaten.
Which is why I’m hoping the starting setup for France will have at least two tanks. And here’s to hoping they’ll have at least the British tank model.
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