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Declaring War Questions
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Does it have to be in writing?
Yes, with an official stamp. Completed in triplicate. The yellow copy is yours.
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Does it have to be in writing?
Or done as a grand speech mimicking the leader of the power you are playing.
"We stretch out the long arm of brotherhood and motherhood to the Australian and New Zealand people, and to the Indian people, whose army has already been fighting with so much distinction in the Mediterranean theatre. This movement of our naval forces, in conjunction with the United States main Fleet, may give practical proof to all who have eyes to see that the forces of freedom and democracy have not by any means reached the limit of their power.
I must admit that, having voted for the Japanese Alliance nearly 40 years ago-in 1902-and having always done my very best to promote good relations with the island Empire of Japan, and always having been a sentimental well-wisher of Japan and an admirer of her many gifts and qualities, I would view with keen sorrow the opening of a conflict between Japan and the English-speaking world.
The United States’ time-honoured interests in the Far East are well known. They are doing their utmost to find a way of preserving peace in the Pacific. We do not know whether their efforts will be successful, but if they fail, I take this occasion to say-and it is my duty to say-that should the United States become involved in war with Japan the British declaration will follow within the hour."
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Does it have to be in writing?
Or done as a grand speech mimicking the leader of the power you are playing.
"We stretch out the long arm of brotherhood and motherhood to the Australian and New Zealand people, and to the Indian people, whose army has already been fighting with so much distinction in the Mediterranean theatre. This movement of our naval forces, in conjunction with the United States main Fleet, may give practical proof to all who have eyes to see that the forces of freedom and democracy have not by any means reached the limit of their power.
I must admit that, having voted for the Japanese Alliance nearly 40 years ago-in 1902-and having always done my very best to promote good relations with the island Empire of Japan, and always having been a sentimental well-wisher of Japan and an admirer of her many gifts and qualities, I would view with keen sorrow the opening of a conflict between Japan and the English-speaking world.
The United States’ time-honoured interests in the Far East are well known. They are doing their utmost to find a way of preserving peace in the Pacific. We do not know whether their efforts will be successful, but if they fail, I take this occasion to say-and it is my duty to say-that should the United States become involved in war with Japan the British declaration will follow within the hour."
you had me at “hello” :cry:
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If you’re playing Japan and you try to make combat moves without first declaring war, just claim your embassies screwed up, and that you actually did declare war first.
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ok, so this means the situation I described is ILLEGAL…. right krieg?
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So, the turn order is Japan, US, China, UK, then ANZAC, and the situation would be that UK and ANZAC take their turns without attacking Japan (and no DoW), then it’s Japan’s turn and they don’t declare war, and at the end of Japan’s turn the UK and ANZAC say “Surprise! Convoy attack” and Japan is unable to do anything about it (and couldn’t/wouldn’t during their turn). That sounds kind of unfair, so I think there has to be a DoW on the UK/ANZAC turns or Japan has to declare war on UK/ANZAC that turn. If it was legal, then the UK/ANZAC could move a bunch of ships into convoy zones and threaten to disrupt a lot of IPCs and force Japan to attack (if they wanted to stop it) and bring the US in, which would not be favorable for Japan. Thus it seems fair that you have to declare war on your turn and then you’re allowed to disrupt.
And with China, the UK/ANZAC can declare war before their Combat Move, not make any aggressive moves against Japan if they wish/can’t, and then move into China.
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@Col.:
…then it’s Japan’s turn and they don’t declare war, and at the end of Japan’s turn the UK and ANZAC say “Surprise! Convoy attack” and Japan is unable to do anything about it (and couldn’t/wouldn’t during their turn). That sounds kind of unfair, so I think there has to be a DoW on the UK/ANZAC turns or Japan has to declare war on UK/ANZAC that turn. If it was legal, then the UK/ANZAC could move a bunch of ships into convoy zones and threaten to disrupt a lot of IPCs and force Japan to attack (if they wanted to stop it) and bring the US in, which would not be favorable for Japan. Thus it seems fair that you have to declare war on your turn and then you’re allowed to disrupt.
And that’s why the errata now specifically states that convoy interdiction CANNOT be performed on an enemies turn if you aren’t at war, and you can only declare war during your turn (or someone attacks you).
If Japan attacked the UK, starting the war, and the UK still had naval units in a japanese convoy zone at the collect income phase, that’s the only way the UK would be able to do convoy interdiction without having declared war on their turn.
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Before war is declared, if the US moves its destroyer from the Philippines into the Japanese sea zone does this prevent(destroyer-stall) Japan from loading troops on transports the next turn to move to other territories for an attack if it declares war on the US that turn?
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Before war is declared, if the US moves its destroyer from the Philippines into the Japanese sea zone does this prevent(destroyer-stall) Japan from loading troops on transports the next turn to move to other territories for an attack if it declares war on the US that turn?
No. On the turn a power declares war, any transports in now hostile sea zones are still allowed to load units from their associated territories and then move. They are still not permitted to move from neutral seazones into now hostile seazones to load units.
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So if Japan declares War on UK/ANZAC but not US why can’t it move ships through the Phillipines from the Carolines as part of an attack on UK/Anzac? Japan at this point isn’t at war with the USA.
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Welcome, picard!
It can.
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My understanding of the Pacific 1940 rules is that when America is attacked (declared war upon by Japan via Japan attacking the UK) the Income goes from 10 IPCs to 50 IPCs in the Western US.
This means on their collect income phase they recieve the income boost? or do they get the money immediately to spend . Makes more sense that they would have to spend money on hand and then wait to collect the new 50 IPC western US boost on their collect income phase.
Also , I understand it as the boost is permament. but just want the blessing on that one too… I might have a dispute as I played it wrong last game as a one time bonus (OK it was 5 am in the morning and I was tired tired and was playing it as a boost like A&A Europe 1940)
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The IPCs are collected in the Collect Income phase, like all other income. The income increase is permanent in both games.
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The IPCs are collected in the Collect Income phase, like all other income. The income increase is permanent in both games.
THANKS! I wanted it documented so if I got into any disputes it would be on the forum!
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Spam not dead.
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Related question to settle something that came up tonight, can Austrailia or UK move sea units into a sea zone occupied by Japan without declaring was?
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The only time that you can declare war is at the beginning of your Combat Move phase. The only exception to this is the US’s automatic declaration of war at the beginning of its turn 3 Collect Income phase.
Krieghund, I bring this matter before your attention please:
I think there may be a discrepancy in the Pacific 1940 rulebook. On page 2 it says “On turn 3, due to the realities of the global situation, the U.S. will switch to a wartime economy. On the U.S. player’s third turn, whether attacked or not, the U.S. will boost its income by 40 IPCs per turn.”
So, it would seem that the U.S. wartime economy automatically kicks in at the beginning of the Collect Income phase of their 3rd turn. But then on page 8 in the revised Political Situation section (taken from the official FAQ/Errata) it says “However, if the United States is still not at war with Japan by the Collect Income phase of its third turn, it may declare war on Japan at that time. Representing a switch from a peacetime to wartime economy, the American player collects an additional 40 IPCs. This wartime economy takes effect during the first U.S. turn in which it is at war with Japan, regardless of the event that triggered the state of war.”
So what is going on here? The phrase ‘it may declare war on Japan’ infers that the U.S. has the option to go to war with Japan or not, but that its wartime economy will automatically kick in either way. How can the U.S. have a wartime economy if she chooses not to declare war? Surely she can only have a wartime economy if she is at war.
Perhaps the wording on page 2 should be amended to “On the U.S. player’s third turn, whether attacked or not, the U.S. will automatically declare war on Japan and boost its income by 40 IPCs per turn.” What do you think of that?
Just so I understand correctly - the U.S. may not declare war on Japan during turns 1 and 2, but automatically declares war on Japan at the beginning of her Collect Income phase of turn 3. Is that right?
If that is correct, then how does it affect/is it affected by the European situation (sorry to bring this up here.) Or, are the Eastern and Western U.S. treated as seperate political spheres in terms of going to war with different Axis powers? In other words, does the U.S. being in a state of war with Japan have any effect on its state of play with Germany and Italy? I would be grateful if you or anyone else could just explain how that works to me.
Thank you very much, Krieg, for all your hard work.
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Perhaps the wording on page 2 should be amended to “On the U.S. player’s third turn, whether attacked or not, the U.S. will automatically declare war on Japan and boost its income by 40 IPCs per turn.” What do you think of that?
This has been reworked already for the new printing.
Just so I understand correctly - the U.S. may not declare war on Japan during turns 1 and 2, but automatically declares war on Japan at the beginning of her Collect Income phase of turn 3. Is that right?
It’s not automatic, but I can’t think of any reason why you, as the US, wouldn’t declare war as soon as you can.
If that is correct, then how does it affect/is it affected by the European situation (sorry to bring this up here.) Or, are the Eastern and Western U.S. treated as seperate political spheres in terms of going to war with different Axis powers? In other words, does the U.S. being in a state of war with Japan have any effect on its state of play with Germany and Italy? I would be grateful if you or anyone else could just explain how that works to me.
As soon as the US is at war with any Axis power, it is eligible to declare war on any or all other Axis powers on its next turn.
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That’s lovely. Thanks very much for your answers. Â :-) And now for another question:
When exactly during your turn can a Minor Industrial Complex be upgraded into a Major one? I can find no evidence of this, save the one sentence in the 3rd paragraph on page 22 under ‘unit characteristics’ for industrial complexes. So, when does the upgrade take place?
Also, the rulebook makes no mention of the fact that a Minor IC cannot be upgraded until its damage is fully repaired.
Have these issues been raised before? Thank you again.
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