Very rarely do I run out of US carriers. I just use the chips if I have more than 4 American carriers. Sometime I just borrow one or two from 1942 second edition or Europe 1940. They are pretty much the same. Europe 1940 comes also with 4.
New Zealand
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Playtesters never test the final product. Once it’s final, it’s a little too late for testing. Once the game design is finalized, it’s up to the editors to make sure that nothing changes during the translation from prototype to final product. There are many steps in which mistakes can be made.
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The ICs and such in New Zealand. For casual players that buy the game and never come here or call WotC they’ll probably never care.
For me, sure there are things that could be fixed, enough pieces is a MUST fix, but the rest is largely indifferent for me. Yes it might unbalance the game, but if you ever watch a game me or my friends place you’d cringe at our choices and moves.We always play for social reasons, hang out with some beer, snacks, and A&A.
So I guess for me the game is still worth what I spent, tac bombers would be nice, but it’s still a decent product quality wise when compared to other games on the market and other things. Certainly better than a $60 PS3/360 video game.
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Playtesters never test the final product. Once it’s final, it’s a little too late for testing. Once the game design is finalized, it’s up to the editors to make sure that nothing changes during the translation from prototype to final product. There are many steps in which mistakes can be made.
Krieghund, this isn’t anything personal but when you say that there are many steps where mistakes can be made I completely agree but I would add that there should be a final step to throughfully check for any mistakes made before before the templates or molds or whatever go to the factory.
This final step probably exists, but someone is clearing not doing their work properly. To me it is easier to justify mistakes like the non-existent New Zealand IC than typos like ‘artilley’ - all it takes is a simple spelling checker to fix those typos. -
I’m starting to notice a trend that every thread in the P40 forum ends in this discussion.
So the real question is:
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AND IF SO, WHAT DO WE DO?
Otherwise, we will continue to just slam WOTC and complain about spending $90.
Thoughts anyone?
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This was fixed in an errata. No IC on New Zealand, Major IC is now a minor in New South Wales.
:-P
But there is still a habour and a airstrip on New Zealand.
What about those Figthers an the island?
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The rest is supposed to be there. 3 fgr, 1 inf, AB, NB.
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I think it’s a very poor show to be honest. WOTC really should have put some kind of article on their website regarding all the problems with this game. Even if it was just something along the lines of “we’re aware of the problems and we are looking to fix them… etc”. I can’t believe their lack of care and support!
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If they didn’t care, you wouldn’t have seen the steps that we’ve already taken to fix this. Things may be moving more slowly than you’d like, but they are moving. Please have patience.
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If they didn’t care, you wouldn’t have seen the steps that we’ve already taken to fix this. Things may be moving more slowly than you’d like, but they are moving. Please have patience.
Just curious, what exactly is being done about these issues?
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OK Krieghund, but if you are in contact with WOTC…you could ask them to put somekind of information on their website about fixes and corrections. That’s just the minimal service for customers, not a crazy amount of work I think.
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@KH:
OK Krieghund, but if you are in contact with WOTC…you could ask them to put somekind of information on their website about fixes and corrections. That’s just the minimal service for customers, not a crazy amount of work I think.
That seems fair. I’m thinking of all the people that don’t know to look on here for info. If there is something on the WOTC home site for A&A, it would help the casual owner find the right answers. And a lot of people may be looking at the WOTC site for info since they are likely interested in E40.
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Just curious, what exactly is being done about these issues?
Replacement battle strips are being made available through Wizards Customer Service, and the FAQ and errata is being prepared for publication on AH’s website. Further remedies are also being considered, but I can’t discuss them at this point.
@KH:
OK Krieghund, but if you are in contact with WOTC…you could ask them to put somekind of information on their website about fixes and corrections. That’s just the minimal service for customers, not a crazy amount of work I think.
This will be done as soon as it is finalized.
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That seems fair. I’m thinking of all the people that don’t know to look on here for info. If there is something on the WOTC home site for A&A, it would help the casual owner find the right answers. And a lot of people may be looking at the WOTC site for info since they are likely interested in E40.
Poor people?
This game is just playable without this ERRATA! …like we played our first few games. 1 Jap victory and 2 Allied victories.
The one thing that really hurts, is the setup mistake! :-P
That’s a premiere, or not.
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That seems fair. I’m thinking of all the people that don’t know to look on here for info. If there is something on the WOTC home site for A&A, it would help the casual owner find the right answers. And a lot of people may be looking at the WOTC site for info since they are likely interested in E40.
Poor people?
This game is just playable without this ERRATA! …like we played our first few games. 1 Jap victory and 2 Allied victories.
The one thing that really hurts, is the setup mistake! :-P
That’s a premiere, or not.
It may be playable but its not what Larry intended.
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I’m starting to notice a trend that every thread in the P40 forum ends in this discussion.
So the real question is:
IS THERE SOMETHING THAT CAN BE DONE AND IF SO, WHAT DO WE DO?
Otherwise, we will continue to just slam WOTC and complain about spending $90.
Thoughts anyone?
I’m all for the continued attacks on WOTC. They claim they read these forums and are “in touch” with what the people who buy their products are concerned about. Really? Well then how about they step up and do the right thing? They have NO PLANS to send us a chart for IPCs that goes into the 50s/60s/70s, but they’ll be happy to send us a battleboard 3 months after we bought the game…does anyone actually USE a battleboard? They have changed the starting setup of the game, but our lids are now wrong. Stickers? New lids? Pipe dreams. Especially when you look at their site, the FAQ for this game? Non-existent! PDF of the rules? NOPE. Not that they would be accurate, there is no errata for the game on their site.
$90 is not a drop in the bucket for some people. If you think it is, i’ll send you my paypal info and you can drop it in my bucket and I will shut up and stop complaining about this game.
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Playtesters never test the final product. Once it’s final, it’s a little too late for testing. Once the game design is finalized, it’s up to the editors to make sure that nothing changes during the translation from prototype to final product. There are many steps in which mistakes can be made.
Kreig you seem to be a decent guy, but I declare shenanigans on what you say here regarding the map itself. Are you saying the map you played on had the lines for the sea zones correct? That the names on the board were spelled correctly? That the setup didn’t have misspellings? How about the rule regarding IPC values for Maj ICs? No one caught the issue in Australia? Or the rule about IC’s on an island? No one caught NZ?
Again, not attacking you, I have no idea what you contributed to the final game, I can only assume based on your tireless efforts on this site that if not for you the game we would have all purchased in December would have had 5 random magic the gathering cards, risk pieces and a rulebook for D&D and the board from D-Day.
I think there needed to be more eyes on the beta product, and WOTC needs to olive branch it with the community here. Want me to buy AAE40? I’m thinking MIR would be a good idea. Or hell, include these http://www.officedepot.com/a/products/429258/Avery-Sliding-Bar-Report-Covers-Assorted/?cm_mmc=Mercent--Google--Report_Covers_and_Portfolios-_-429258&utm_source=Google&utm_medium=CPC&utm_campaign=plusbox-beta&mr:trackingCode=8F470D1B-EC81-DE11-B7F3-0019B9C043EB&mr:referralID=NA to hold all the boards together. I bought 6 for $2.34 at office depot, I’m sure they could buy them in bulk and even put logos on them.
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$90 is not a drop in the bucket for some people. If you think it is, i’ll send you my paypal info and you can drop it in my bucket and I will shut up and stop complaining about this game.
Then I’ll be glad to give you my paypal as well. Lol here here.
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@Craig:
Playtesters never test the final product. Once it’s final, it’s a little too late for testing. Once the game design is finalized, it’s up to the editors to make sure that nothing changes during the translation from prototype to final product. There are many steps in which mistakes can be made.
Kreig you seem to be a decent guy, but I declare shenanigans on what you say here regarding the map itself. Are you saying the map you played on had the lines for the sea zones correct? That the names on the board were spelled correctly? That the setup didn’t have misspellings? How about the rule regarding IPC values for Maj ICs? No one caught the issue in Australia? Or the rule about IC’s on an island? No one caught NZ?
I will let Krieghund answer these specific questions himself, but I will say that in working on AA50 and then AAE 40/AA40 Global, he is right in saying these issues (or the vast majority) are coming from the WotC side of the equation.
I am not saying that at all. I cannot and will not comment on where in the process any particular error occurred. My point was simply that there are many points in the process in which they may occur, and certain parts of the process may be beyond the control of any specific individual. That being said, game design and production is a team effort, and we are all collectively responsible for the final product. Anyone outside the process cannot possibly know which individual or individuals are to blame for any given error, and I’m not about to point fingers.
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@Craig:
While we try our hardest to make sure things are prefect from our end…
Trying so hard to resist the irony… ;)
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since apparently my post was copied to another thread, I’ll reply in both…
Again, to clarify. Not attacking anyone, except WOTC. Someone had said all the threads eventually reach the point where we bash WOTC.
I said that more eyes were needed on the game before it was released. I asked if the map was “correct” in regards to sea zones before it went gold, because if you guys saw the same typos and map lines on your beta copies, then…you missed errors.
If you didn’t have these issues, If Palau was spelled correctly etc, and Sea Zone 5/6 touched the proper land borders and WOTC changed lines on the map for some reason, then they are deserving of our contempt.
I don’t want to drop another $90 on Europe without trying at the least to get WOTC to take a look at the way they do things.
Look at the forum thread on getting extra pieces. How many people have posted that they are getting cut and paste replies with no sign of people actually reading their email? I had this, I called them (literally) on it, and boom. I’m supposedly getting more Tac Bombers. We’ll see.
Calling them chimps on the forum does nothing, actually take the 6 minutes and CALL THEM. Even if you think you aren’t getting anything across, I’m sure they have to log calls, and when they see the complaints about insufficient pieces they might do the math and see that including more plastic is more cost efficient than paying 10 people $10.60 and hour to answer complaint calls. Ever have a problem with a cell phone company? Keep calling in. They think like this. I get a new phone from Verizon YEARLY because I call and complain when mine breaks 3 weeks after the warranty runs out. Keep calling. They see you are tying up a Rep. multiple times a week, they write off a new phone for you. Just to make you go away.
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