Oztea 1939 (1st game) SbY Allies vs CdS Axis

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@SuperbattleshipYamato

Well good luck and have fun! Its going to be a real learning game for both of us.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@cds

Germany starts first.

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@SuperbattleshipYamato

Yes, I know! Still trying to come up with a gameplan. Might take me a while. Curious to see what your G1 would look like. Perhaps after I send mine you can say if you would do more or less the same as I did?!

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@cds

So you’ll have to play the first turn. Or do you want me to set up the game?

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@SuperbattleshipYamato

No, Ill play the Axis (just thinking about what is good strategy to start with. I am working on it.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@cds

Okay, good. Just making sure you remember. Yeah, it’s definitely a tough one. Not sure what I’ll do either. Something for future me.

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@SuperbattleshipYamato

Well I have come up with a plan, not sure if its the best one, but for now I feel this is the most promising. Depending on how well I can bend or implement the rules to accommodate me ;) Not sure what to make of all the new politics yet, how it can help me or turn against me. The rules (the link you send me) didnt mention much about politics and what nations can do what etc. Its not really rules, more a explanation on whats on the board and where you are at in the war (what year etc)

Do you wish to scramble?

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[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@cds

About the rules: Yeah, that’s why I had all these questions and why I couldn’t do a game the first time I tried.

Anyways, I already spotted a major question:

Can the UK and France declare war on Italy the first turn? It’s not clear at all. @oztea

In the meantime, I’ll scramble.

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@SuperbattleshipYamato

Are you Sure about the scramble? Its 5 units VS 3 and the scramble in Scotland is useless, because you cant defend vs planes

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@SuperbattleshipYamato

I mean vs subs :)

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@cds

Yeah, I have no idea how to play this variant (again, first time with a human opponent), so why not (not an actual question)?

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@SuperbattleshipYamato

Game History

Round: 1

    Research Technology - Germans
        Note to players Germans:   Welcome to "Oztea 1939 Global"   This is Version 1.96. It was uploaded on 1-4-2021. Make sure All Players have the same Version.  It is recommended to read the "Game Notes".   Persia, Nort....

    Purchase Units - Germans
        Germans buy 2 artilleries and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Germans
        1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Yugoslavia
        4 armour moved from Germany to Yugoslavia
        1 armour moved from Germany to Denmark
        1 infantry moved from Western Germany to Denmark
        1 mech_infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Denmark
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Germany to 113 Sea Zone
        1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from 113 Sea Zone to Norway
        2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to 110 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 123 Sea Zone to 106 Sea Zone
        1 submarine moved from 124 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone
        2 submarines moved from 112 Sea Zone to 119 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 112 Sea Zone to 110 Sea Zone
        1 battleship moved from 86 Sea Zone to 84 Sea Zone
        5 artilleries and 13 infantry moved from Germany to Poland
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Western Germany to Yugoslavia
        1 fighter moved from Western Germany to Norway
        3 fighters moved from Western Germany to Germany
        2 bombers and 4 fighters moved from Germany to Poland
        3 artilleries and 4 infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Western Germany

    Combat - Germans
        British scrambles 2 units out of United Kingdom to defend against the attack in 110 Sea Zone
        British scrambles 1 units out of Scotland to defend against the attack in 119 Sea Zone
        Battle in Yugoslavia
            Germans attack with 4 armour, 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 2 tactical_bombers
            Neutral_Allies defend with 5 infantry
            Germans win, taking Yugoslavia from Neutral_Allies with 3 armour and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is -1
            Casualties for Germans: 1 armour, 1 artillery and 2 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 5 infantry
        Battle in Norway
            Germans attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 3 infantry
            Germans win, taking Norway from Neutral_Allies with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 6
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 3 infantry
        Battle in Denmark
            Germans attack with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 1 infantry
            Germans win, taking Denmark from Neutral_Allies with 1 armour, 1 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 1 infantry
        Battle in Poland
            Germans attack with 5 artilleries, 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 13 infantry
            Neutral_Allies defend with 10 infantry
            Germans win, taking Poland from Neutral_Allies with 5 artilleries, 2 bombers, 4 fighters and 12 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 27
            Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Allies: 10 infantry
        Battle in 110 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 destroyer, 2 fighters and 2 tactical_bombers
            British defend with 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 transport
            Germans win with 1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers remaining. Battle score for attacker is 21
            Casualties for Germans: 1 destroyer and 1 fighter
            Casualties for British: 1 cruiser, 2 fighters and 1 transport
        Battle in 84 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 battleship
            British defend with 1 cruiser
            Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans
            Germans win with 1 battleship remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12
            Casualties for British: 1 cruiser
        Battle in 119 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 3 submarines
            British defend with 1 carrier and 2 fighters
            British and Germans reach a stalemate
            . Battle score for attacker is 10
            Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine
            Casualties for British: 1 carrier
        Battle in 106 Sea Zone
            Germans attack with 1 submarine
            British defend with 1 destroyer
            Germans win, taking 106 Sea Zone from Neutral with 1 submarine remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8
            Casualties for British: 1 destroyer
        Moving scrambled unit from 119 Sea Zone  back to originating territory: Scotland
            1 fighter owned by the British forced to land in Scotland

    Non Combat Move - Germans
        1 fighter moved from Norway to Western Germany
        1 fighter and 2 tactical_bombers moved from 110 Sea Zone to Western Germany
        2 bombers and 4 fighters moved from Poland to Western Germany
        1 mech_infantry moved from Greater Southern Germany to Bulgaria
              Germans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Axis
        2 tactical_bombers moved from Yugoslavia to Western Germany
        1 armour moved from Germany to Romania
              Germans take Slovakia Hungary from Neutral_Axis
              Germans take Romania from Neutral_Axis
        4 aaGuns moved from Germany to Slovakia Hungary
        1 transport moved from 86 Sea Zone to 84 Sea Zone

    Place Units - Germans
        2 artilleries and 2 infantry placed in Western Germany

    Turn Complete - Germans
        Germans collect 30 PUs; end with 30 PUs
        Trigger Germans 5 Swedish Iron Ore: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 35 PUs
        Objective Germans 1 Trade with Russia: Germans met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 40 PUs

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@SuperbattleshipYamato said in Oztea 1939 (1st game) SbY Allies vs CdS Axis:

@cds

About the rules: Yeah, that’s why I had all these questions and why I couldn’t do a game the first time I tried.

Anyways, I already spotted a major question:

Can the UK and France declare war on Italy the first turn? It’s not clear at all. @oztea

In the meantime, I’ll scramble.

UK can declare war on Italy first turn, its in the politics, as well as Italy can declare war on either UK and or France.

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@SuperbattleshipYamato said in Oztea 1939 (1st game) SbY Allies vs CdS Axis:

@cds

About the rules: Yeah, that’s why I had all these questions and why I couldn’t do a game the first time I tried.

Anyways, I already spotted a major question:

Can the UK and France declare war on Italy the first turn? It’s not clear at all. @oztea

In the meantime, I’ll scramble.

I wanted to send ftrs towards Italy (airbase) to help upgrade the defense vs UK and France navy attacks, but because Italy is still out of the war it wouldnt let me. Thats the downside playing with the Axis in this scenario. I also reckon that the Allies can take a lot of territory to help them boost their economy, they are already very rich it seems.

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@SuperbattleshipYamato said in Oztea 1939 (1st game) SbY Allies vs CdS Axis:

@cds

About the rules: Yeah, that’s why I had all these questions and why I couldn’t do a game the first time I tried.

Anyways, I already spotted a major question:

Can the UK and France declare war on Italy the first turn? It’s not clear at all. @oztea

In the meantime, I’ll scramble.

I have taken a look at the politics panel in the game itself, I think there is some kind of bug or so going on. Because Japan is allied to Italy, but Germany is not yet allied. Seems strange that Italy is already allied to Japan and not yet to Germany.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@cds

But it wasn’t stated in the 1939 thread, and as Panther says, we should never trust TripleA for rules (even if I am guilty of that myself sometimes). It could simply be an unintended and undesired consequence of something else (even if I think that’s unlikely). I guess my standard of proof is much higher than yours. I’m fine going with these rules regardless.

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

@cds

Actually, Italy’s navy in sea zones 95 and 97 is very safe for turn 1, as are its North African units (I ran the calculations).

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

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Game History

Round: 1

    Purchase Units - Russians
        Russians buy 2 artilleries and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; 

    Combat Move - Russians
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Caucasus to Northwest Persia
        1 armour moved from Volgograd to Northwest Persia
        1 infantry moved from Volgograd to Caucasus
        1 mech_infantry moved from Ukraine to Caucasus
        1 armour and 1 mech_infantry moved from Russia to Volgograd
        4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
        1 fighter moved from Novgorod to Vyborg
        1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Baltic States
        1 infantry moved from Ukraine to Bessarabia
              Russians take Bessarabia from Neutral_Axis
        1 fighter moved from Russia to Baltic States

    Combat - Russians
        Battle in Northwest Persia
            Russians attack with 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry
            Neutral_Axis defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 armour, 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Northwest Persia, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Northwest Persia
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Northwest Persia
            Russians win, taking Northwest Persia from Neutral_Axis with 1 armour and 1 artillery remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 1 infantry
        Battle in Baltic States
            Russians attack with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry
            Neutral_Axis defend with 1 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.17 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Baltic States, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Baltic States
            Russians win, taking Baltic States from Neutral_Axis with 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 1 infantry
        Battle in Vyborg
            Russians attack with 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry
            Neutral_Axis defend with 2 infantry
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 2 infantry in Vyborg, round 2 : 0/2 hits, 0.67 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Vyborg
                Russians roll dice for 1 fighter, 4 infantry and 1 mech_infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 2/6 hits, 1.33 expected hits
                Neutral_Axis roll dice for 1 infantry in Vyborg, round 3 : 1/1 hits, 0.33 expected hits
                1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Vyborg
                1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Axis lost in Vyborg
            Russians win, taking Vyborg from Neutral_Axis with 1 fighter, 3 infantry and 1 mech_infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3
            Casualties for Neutral_Axis: 2 infantry
            Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry

    Non Combat Move - Russians
        1 fighter moved from Vyborg to Rostov
        1 infantry moved from Western Ukraine to Eastern Poland
              Russians take Eastern Poland from Neutral_Allies
        1 fighter moved from Baltic States to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Samara to Vologda
        2 aaGuns, 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Russia to Bryansk
        2 infantry moved from Novosibirsk to Vologda
        2 infantry moved from Timguska to Novosibirsk
        2 infantry moved from Yenisey to Timguska
        2 infantry moved from Yakut S.S.R. to Yenisey
        2 infantry moved from Buryatia to Yakut S.S.R.
        2 infantry moved from Sakha to Buryatia
        2 aaGuns, 1 armour, 2 artilleries, 1 fighter, 6 infantry and 1 mech_infantry moved from Amur to Buryatia
        1 fighter moved from Buryatia to Yenisey
        2 infantry moved from Siberia to Sakha
        2 infantry moved from Soviet Far East to Siberia
        1 destroyer moved from 5 Sea Zone to 4 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 4 Sea Zone to 3 Sea Zone
        1 destroyer moved from 127 Sea Zone to 125 Sea Zone
        1 aaGun moved from Novgorod to Vyborg

    Place Units - Russians
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Novgorod
        1 artillery and 2 infantry placed in Ukraine
        5 infantry placed in Russia

    Turn Complete - Russians
        Russians collect 37 PUs; end with 37 PUs
        Objective Russians 2 Spread Of Communism: Russians met a national objective for an additional 5 PUs; end with 42 PUs

Combat Hit Differential Summary :

Russians regular : 1.00
Neutral_Axis regular : 0.33

[SuperbattleshipYamato]

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@SuperbattleshipYamato

Well my standard of proof might be as high as yours, but this is my first game as well and live and learn is my motto at the moment. Just curious to see what this game is all about, I take some difficulties going a long the way for granted.