In the real WW2 there was a KGF strat. About 75%-80% of US war production went to Europe.
But US didn’t moved all the Pacific fleet to Atlantic. It were a Midway, a Guadalcanal and lots of island hooping. India, Australia and China held the japanese assault etc etc
Yep, FDR did a KGF strat but not a ignore Japan strat. That’s the thing we want avoid, the comeback of ignore Japan fanmania (in fact in Revised it was a 100% ignore Japan fanmania, never a 100% KGF fanmania)
Said that, I think we don’t need a split income if the map and the setup are well done. Pacific side seems OK, let’s give a chance to Europe side. I don’t see how USA can ignore Japan in a global scenario, Japan can rampage to 104 IPCs if USA ignores them, even without taking Siberia, Alaska, part of Canada and South America in the count. And Japan can mass submarines at z10 to disrupt USA’s income (-52 IPCs to USA?) … ouch, ouch … and I don’t want imagine how many jap bombers can ubertoast USSR and London (Los Angeles and Whasington from Alaska bases?) if Japan sees the gamey strat try to work, sure Japan has enough escorts for this task … and many many options …
And Japan can mass submarines at z10 to disrupt USA’s income (-52 IPCs to USA?) … ouch, ouch … and I don’t want imagine how many jap bombers can ubertoast USSR and London (Los Angeles and Whasington from Alaska bases?) if Japan sees the gamey strat try to work, sure Japan has enough escorts for this task … and many many options …
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Krieghund already shot down the convoy attack on US. Japan can not include the 40 IPC NO, W US only counts as 10 for convoy attacks. Just thought you should know.
**On a related note, it has also been determined (will be in the Errata soon) that if Japan moves into a US convoy zone (before it is at war w/US) that it would need to declare its intent. If it is going to result in a convoy attack (on the US turn) then it would indeed be a Dec Of War at the time that Japan moves its ships into the sz containing a convoy. You no longer (as Japan) can move in then wait until the end of the US turn to declare a convoy attack, resulting in a Dec Of War. Now the US would be able to attack you, on its turn if you declare a convoy attack, because you are at war at the beginning of the US turn. I believe this will include all powers, so it should have an effect on many I’ll cost you $, before you can attack me strats.
@Imperious:
If each axis has it’s own VC to be met individually, the idea to help the other is a waste, so playing them both and perfectly coordinating them might just end.
Yes. This seems to be a good idea. The question is though - what happens when one axis player reaches all their VC? Do all the axis win at that point or just the individual? In which case does that axis player ‘bow out’ and the others carry on until all axis have reached VC or been eliminated, I mean once you’ve won…
But US didn’t moved all the Pacific fleet to Atlantic. It were a Midway, a Guadalcanal and lots of island hooping. India, Australia and China held the japanese assault etc etc
Yep, FDR did a KGF strat but not a ignore Japan strat. That’s the thing we want avoid, the comeback of ignore Japan fanmania (in fact in Revised it was a 100% ignore Japan fanmania, never a 100% KGF fanmania)
Said that, I think we don’t need a split income if the map and the setup are well done. Pacific side seems OK, let’s give a chance to Europe side. I don’t see how USA can ignore Japan in a global scenario, Japan can rampage to 104 IPCs if USA ignores them, even without taking Siberia, Alaska, part of Canada and South America in the count. And Japan can mass submarines at z10 to disrupt USA’s income (-52 IPCs to USA?) … ouch, ouch … and I don’t want imagine how many jap bombers can ubertoast USSR and London (Los Angeles and Whasington from Alaska bases?) if Japan sees the gamey strat try to work, sure Japan has enough escorts for this task … and many many options …
There was no need for a navy in the Atlantic for the US, Germany didn’t have much of a navy to defeat.
@Subotai:
In the real WW2 there was a KGF strat. About 75%-80% of US war production went to Europe.
But the US didn’t kill Germany. Russia did. The US helped deliver the Coup de Grace. But in the game, with 80% or more of US IPC:s going to Europe, it will spell disaster for Germany. I know its a game, but it doesn’t hurt if it has some connection to the real thing.
@WILD:
Krieghund already shot down the convoy attack on US. Japan can not include the 40 IPC NO, W US only counts as 10 for convoy attacks. Just thought you should know.
One cannot be checking all the days if a new “errata” happens again. Anyway you are going to lose 10 IPCs for WUSA, 2 for Mexico, 2 for Alaska and 1 for BCol. I guess you could lose a couple more for Panama and Central America
And that errata is annoying, the rulebook says clearly WUSA income boosts from 10 to 50, not just a mere NO boost. It feels like when they “solved” the improved ICs “bug” in AA50 in the worst way the could do. Japan subs can disrupt convoys at peace but not at war? come on … ! Why the didn’t add a CUS territory with the bonus NO and let California the same at war/peace?
At this rate of changes, we are going to be better just playing OOB and ignore any errata, being unofficial and such :|
@Brain:
There was no need for a navy in the Atlantic for the US, Germany didn’t have much of a navy to defeat.
Wolf packs of subs. Ask Churchill in 1940-41
yeaah but germany never was big on boats. THey didnt have a large navy
@Brain:
There was no need for a navy in the Atlantic for the US, Germany didn’t have much of a navy to defeat.
Wolf packs of subs. Ask Churchill in 1940-41
US didn’t get started over there until late 1942.
Per LH 02/04/10
. "Will US have a spilt income in the global game- 50IPC for Pacific theater and 50IPC for the Europe theater- or will they be able to combine their income and dominate one theater??? The US will NOT have a split income in the global game. However, one of the powers will indeed have a split income but not the US.
Finally, this thread can be closed. Wise Larry has spoken
You can bet the splitted country will be UK: England plus Canada, probably with a minor IC at Ottawa :wink:
I’d like also some canadian markers to keep the tray of the brave men of the north :lol:
You can bet the splitted country will be UK: England plus Canada, probably with a minor IC at Ottawa :wink:
I’d like also some canadian markers to keep the tray of the brave men of the north :lol:
Well I’d guess UK as well. Keeping their Pacific income from Europe.
Now let’s hope they keep the US Neutrality rules as realistic as their economic flexibility…. although I doubt it.
LOL. The split income power will be… drumroll CANADA???
Probably more like INDIA. Or they’ll call it the BEF (British Expeditionary Forces?) and lump 'em all together.
Can’t wait to see the ocean of tears from die-hard Axis players when they see a 100+ IPC consolidated US front on turn 3.
My guess is england and India. They’ll probably use the union Jack for the roundel on Europe
LOL, even if it’s NOT in the 100s as a combined income, what if its still in the 80s with NOs? Imagine building all planes and bombers for the first 3 rounds and seeing 24 fighters in moscow by the time the Germans get there. It’s crazy, man, I tell you. It’s just crazy.
And when you get your 24 planes in Moscow. I’d be happy to tell you that Pacific is LOST
I mean, you guys have played AA Pacific 40 right? You guys know how much the Allies need USA there right? So what happens if USA doesn’T do his job in Pacific? I think Asia will be lost quickly
Stop whining about consolidated income. It will increase the fun of the game and punish those who think they can put in 1 front only
Robert
yes but you can ignore asia the bigger threat will be in europe im sure
If UK has a split income, then Sea Lion may not be out of the question.
