1914 - TGC (CP) vs. VF (Entente), oob, no bid
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I’m not sure what my personal decision would have been in this case - an open fight with both of those cruisers was only a 63% chance of UK winning since subs defend on “2” in 1914. Since this game is supposedly imbalanced in favor of the allies, I feel this would be a great opportunity to knock out one or both UK cruisers. Did you think subs defend on a “1”?
Maybe the best thing to do in this case is to keep your cruisers in the sea zone with my subs and we say that my subs declared a “submerge” before we saw your roll. In this case, mine never rolled back at you so we can ignore the hit. Chalk it up to inexperience on the part of both of us?
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@the_good_captain
Well yeah, I thought subs were those very bad-at-defence units, and I wanted to sacrifice a few ships to have a chance to destroy one of your submarines before they spread out or combine with your fleet. Apparently, they roll at a 2, and now I think about it, it was probably not that good of an attack, as there was a big chance I would at least lose one cruiser, and losing a cruiser against a sub is not a good trade. If I knew the rules, it was maybe worth it. I mean if you submerge, I have a chance to kill one or both of your subs without getting a hit.I guess the best thing to do is what you said, pretend you submerged and my cruisers missed.
Here is the save file with the edit:
B1.tsvg -
“If a major power moves units into a minor neutral power’s capital territory, the invaded neutral power will mobilize forces against the invading force. Serious consideration should be given to which power will represent the mobilized forces. It can be any of the powers that are on the opposite side from the power that is performing the invasion. For example if Germany (Central Powers member) invaded Holland, one of the Allied players would place his or her infantry and artillery. It should also be noted that if Holland ends up being controlled by the Allies, the ally who originally mobilized in Holland would most likely gain Holland’s 2 IPCs if the territory ends up in his or her control.”
I wasn’t sure this would ever really matter but the UK invasion of Persia meant that I was supposed to declare Persia to mobilize Austrian, German or Ottoman pieces. It sounds like this is done before the combat round not that that matters much. Anyway, I will turn them into Ottoman pieces before starting my turn. You probably should decide which country the Danish will be mobilized by too.
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@the_good_captain Good that you mentioned it. I would like to have the Danish join the Brits. But it does not matter that much actually, as most of the time these neutral’s territories will be contested, yielding no IPC for its major power (so Britain, unfortunately, does not get two extra IPC… :( , as I thought at first)
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Game History
Round: 1 Puchase Units - Ottomans Ottomans buy 1 fighter and 3 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Ottomans 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Mesopotamia to Sevastopol 1 infantry moved from Constantinople to Bulgaria Ottomans take Bulgaria from Neutral_Central Combat - Ottomans Battle in Sevastopol Ottomans attack with 1 artillery and 2 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry and 1 port Ottomans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians lost in Sevastopol Ottomans win, taking Sevastopol from Russians with 1 artillery and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Combat Move - Ottomans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Neutral_True from Persia: 1 artillery and 2 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Ottomans to Persia: 1 artillery and 2 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 1 infantry moved from Syrian Desert to Mesopotamia 1 artillery moved from Persia to Mesopotamia 1 infantry moved from Smyrna to Syrian Desert 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Ankara to Mesopotamia 1 infantry moved from Persia to Mesopotamia 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Constantinople to Ankara 1 infantry moved from Constantinople to Ankara Place Units - Ottomans 1 fighter and 3 infantry placed in Constantinople Turn Complete - Ottomans Ottomans collect 21 PUs; end with 22 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : -0.50 Ottomans regular : -0.33 -
@the_good_captain Hmm, that’s weird. I wanted to reinforce Venice, but the game engine started a battle there, while it’s possible to reinforce a contested area without initiating combat, or am I getting this wrong? (On top of that, I got diced really hard with no hits, and almost all your units got a hit xD)
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first, the rules:
“All movement is considered to take place at the same time, and must be completed in this phase.” -page 17 (I have been bad at this, I will make sure I’m not using the NCM phase going forward)
and most importantly, this:
“Combat occurs when your units share the same space with units belonging to one or more opposing powers and you decide to commit your units to an attack. Only enemy units may be attacked. When attacking, all units in the space belonging to your power must attack. You are required to attack only in territories that have become contested this turn due to your movement of units into them. Attacks in territories that were already contested at the beginning of the turn and in sea zones are always optional, even if you have moved units into them this turn.”
In short, if you did not want to attack, you did not have to.
The practical fix for this in TripleA is the following: If you do not wish to attack in a contested territory, BEFORE any dice are rolled EDIT your units in the contested territory and make them all neutral. After the Combat phase, turn them all back into units of your side. That’s the only way to keep things in good faith as far as I can see.
So what did “Previous Units Fight” do…?..? lol
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@the_good_captain
Game HistoryRound: 1 Puchase Units - Italians Italians buy 1 fighter and 2 infantry; Remaining resources: 2 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Piedmont to Venice 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Rome to Tuscany 1 infantry moved from Naples to SZ 17 1 infantry moved from SZ 17 to Albania Italians take Albania from Neutral_Allied 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Libya to Egypt 1 infantry moved from Somaliland to British East Africa Combat - Italians Battle in Venice Italians attack with 4 artilleries and 7 infantry AustroHungarians defend with 4 artilleries and 6 infantry Italians roll dice for 4 artilleries and 7 infantry in Venice, round 2 : 0/11 hits, 5,00 expected hits AustroHungarians roll dice for 4 artilleries and 6 infantry in Venice, round 2 : 6/10 hits, 5,00 expected hits 6 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Venice AustroHungarians and Italians reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is -18 Casualties for Italians: 6 infantry Combat Move - Italians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Adding units owned by Italians to Venice: 6 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - Italians 1 fighter and 2 infantry placed in Rome Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 14 PUs; end with 16 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : -5,00 AustroHungarians regular : 1,00I guess Previous Units Fight only disables combat in territories that were contested from the start of your turn, given that you don’t move into them. If you do, combat automatically happens. Well, that’s annoying :)
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@victoryfirst the Americans are up now.
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@the_good_captain Oh lol, I forgot about the turn order again. My American turn wasn’t that interesting anyway :)
Game History
Round: 1 Puchase Units - Americans Americans buy nothing; Remaining resources: 20 PUs; Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 20 PUs; end with 40 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Game History
Round: 2 Puchase Units - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians buy 2 fighters and 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - AustroHungarians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by AustroHungarians from Venice: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Neutral_True to Venice: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 4 artilleries and 5 infantry moved from Venice to Trieste 1 infantry moved from Serbia to Trieste 1 infantry moved from Serbia to Trieste 1 artillery moved from Serbia to Trieste 1 infantry moved from Serbia to Trieste 3 infantry moved from Galicia to Ukraine 6 artilleries and 25 infantry moved from Galicia to Romania 1 fighter moved from Vienna to Serbia 1 fighter moved from Vienna to Serbia Combat - AustroHungarians Battle in Serbia AustroHungarians attack with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry Neutral_Allied defend with 1 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry in Serbia, round 2 : 1/6 hits, 2.50 expected hits Neutral_Allied roll dice for 1 infantry in Serbia, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Neutral_Allied lost in Serbia AustroHungarians win, taking Serbia from Neutral_Allied with 1 artillery, 2 fighters and 3 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Neutral_Allied: 1 infantry Battle in Ukraine AustroHungarians attack with 3 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 3 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits Russians and AustroHungarians reach a stalemate Battle in Romania AustroHungarians attack with 6 artilleries and 25 infantry Russians defend with 1 artillery and 6 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 6 artilleries and 25 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 14/31 hits, 12.33 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 artillery and 6 infantry in Romania, round 2 : 2/7 hits, 3.50 expected hits 6 infantry owned by the Russians, 2 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians and 1 artillery owned by the Russians lost in Romania AustroHungarians win, taking Romania from Russians with 6 artilleries and 23 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 16 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 2 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 artillery and 6 infantry Combat Move - AustroHungarians Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Neutral_True from Venice: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by AustroHungarians to Venice: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode 4 infantry moved from Vienna to Galicia Place Units - AustroHungarians 2 fighters and 5 infantry placed in Vienna Turn Complete - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians collect 31 PUs; end with 32 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Neutral_Allied regular : -0.50 Russians regular : -2.00 AustroHungarians regular : -0.83 -
@the_good_captain
Game HistoryRound: 2 Puchase Units - Russians Russians buy 1 artillery and 8 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Russians 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Tatarstan to Sevastopol 1 artillery moved from Tatarstan to Sevastopol Combat - Russians Russians creates battle in territory Ukraine Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Battle in Sevastopol Russians attack with 2 artilleries and 3 infantry Ottomans defend with 1 artillery, 2 infantry and 1 port Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 3 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 4/5 hits, 2,33 expected hits Ottomans roll dice for 1 artillery and 2 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians, 1 artillery owned by the Ottomans and 2 infantry owned by the Ottomans lost in Sevastopol Russians win, taking Sevastopol from Ottomans with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Casualties for Ottomans: 1 artillery and 2 infantry Battle in Ukraine Russians attack with 1 infantry AustroHungarians defend with 3 infantry Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/1 hits, 0,33 expected hits AustroHungarians roll dice for 3 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 0/3 hits, 1,50 expected hits AustroHungarians and Russians reach a stalemate Combat Move - Russians 1 infantry moved from Karelia to Livonia 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Livonia 1 infantry moved from Belarus to Livonia 1 artillery and 2 infantry moved from Moscow to Tatarstan 3 fighters moved from Moscow to Belarus Place Units - Russians 1 artillery and 8 infantry placed in Moscow Turn Complete - Russians Russians collect 19 PUs; end with 19 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Russians regular : 1,33 Ottomans regular : -0,50 AustroHungarians regular : -1,50A battle in a contested territory was resolved again. This time it was the battle in Ukraine. I didn’t move any units into it and had no intention to attack there, but the game engine still resolved combat. Is Previous Units Fight not secretly enabled or something? Nobody got any hits in that battle so I did not need to edit anything :)
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@victoryfirst Understood about the “contested territories” but going forward, it really needs to be edited beforehand so no dice are rolled at all. We need to make “neutral” (or just delete) all our units in a contested zone that we DONT want to attack before rolling for combats. Afterwards, you edit the troops back.
PS - the edits for this save were bc I momentarily forgot that any land units/fighters must have an infantry present.
Game History
Round: 2 Puchase Units - Germans Germans buy 3 fighters and 9 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Germans 2 infantry moved from Poland to Galicia 8 artilleries and 20 infantry moved from Silesia to Galicia 9 infantry moved from Berlin to Silesia 2 artilleries moved from Denmark to Kiel 1 fighter moved from Denmark to Holland 2 infantry moved from Kiel to Holland 6 infantry moved from Ruhr to Holland 3 artilleries moved from Belgium to Holland 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 2 submarines moved from SZ 10 to SZ 4 1 fighter moved from Berlin to Hanover 3 artilleries and 11 infantry moved from Belgium to Alsace 1 infantry moved from Gold Coast to Togoland 1 artillery and 1 infantry moved from Angola to Rhodesia Germans take Rhodesia from British 2 infantry moved from Belgian Congo to Rhodesia Combat - Germans Germans creates battle in territory Denmark Battle in SZ 4 Germans attack with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 4 submarines British defend with 2 cruisers Germans roll dice for 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 4 submarines in SZ 4, round 2 : 4/7 hits, 3.00 expected hits British roll dice for 2 cruisers in SZ 4, round 2 : 2/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits Units damaged: 1 battleship owned by the Germans 1 submarine owned by the Germans and 2 cruisers owned by the British lost in SZ 4 Germans win with 1 battleship, 2 cruisers and 3 submarines remaining. Battle score for attacker is 12 Casualties for Germans: 1 submarine Casualties for British: 2 cruisers Battle in Denmark Germans attack with 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Germans roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Denmark, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits Neutral_True roll dice for 1 infantry in Denmark, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Germans and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Denmark Germans win, taking Denmark from Neutral_True with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is -3 Casualties for Germans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 infantry Battle in Holland Germans attack with 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 8 infantry Neutral_True defend with 1 artillery and 3 infantry Germans roll dice for 3 artilleries, 1 fighter and 8 infantry in Holland, round 2 : 3/12 hits, 5.50 expected hits Neutral_True roll dice for 1 artillery and 3 infantry in Holland, round 2 : 2/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Germans and 3 infantry owned by the Neutral_True lost in Holland Neutral_True and Germans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 3 Casualties for Germans: 2 infantry Casualties for Neutral_True: 3 infantry Combat Move - Germans Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Hanover: 1 fighter EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Silesia: 1 fighter EDIT: Removing units owned by Germans from Silesia: 1 infantry EDIT: Adding units owned by Germans to Kiel: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Turning on Edit Mode EDIT: Removing units owned by Neutral_True from Holland: 1 artillery EDIT: Adding units owned by British to Holland: 1 infantry EDIT: Turning off Edit Mode Place Units - Germans 3 fighters and 9 infantry placed in Berlin Turn Complete - Germans Germans collect 44 PUs; end with 44 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Germans regular : -1.50 Neutral_True regular : 0.50 British regular : 1.00 -
I will post B1 shortly.
F2.tsvg -
Lol, I thought I fixed the problem (I saw that Prev units fight was disabled again, so I enabled it, but the battle in Holland still went on!
B2.tsvg -
Game History
Round: 2 Puchase Units - Ottomans Ottomans buy 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 4 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - Ottomans 1 artillery and 4 infantry moved from Ankara to Syrian Desert 1 infantry moved from Constantinople to Ankara 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 3 infantry moved from Constantinople to Smyrna 2 infantry moved from Mesopotamia to Syrian Desert 1 artillery and 6 infantry moved from Bulgaria to Constantinople Combat - Ottomans Battle in Smyrna Ottomans attack with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry British defend with 2 artilleries and 1 infantry Ottomans roll dice for 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry in Smyrna, round 2 : 4/9 hits, 4.00 expected hits British roll dice for 2 artilleries and 1 infantry in Smyrna, round 2 : 1/3 hits, 1.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Ottomans, 2 artilleries owned by the British and 1 infantry owned by the British lost in Smyrna Ottomans win with 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 5 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 8 Casualties for Ottomans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 2 artilleries and 1 infantry Battle in Syrian Desert Ottomans attack with 1 artillery and 6 infantry British defend with 1 artillery and 1 infantry Ottomans roll dice for 1 artillery and 6 infantry in Syrian Desert, round 2 : 1/7 hits, 2.67 expected hits British roll dice for 1 artillery and 1 infantry in Syrian Desert, round 2 : 1/2 hits, 1.00 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Ottomans and 1 artillery owned by the British lost in Syrian Desert British and Ottomans reach a stalemate . Battle score for attacker is 1 Casualties for Ottomans: 1 infantry Casualties for British: 1 artillery Combat Move - Ottomans Place Units - Ottomans 1 artillery, 1 fighter and 4 infantry placed in Constantinople Turn Complete - Ottomans Ottomans collect 17 PUs; end with 17 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Ottomans regular : -1.67 British regular : -0.50[O2.tsvg](/forums/assets/uploads/files/1652240810869-o2.tsvg) -
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@the_good_captain
Game HistoryRound: 2 Puchase Units - Italians Italians buy 5 infantry; Remaining resources: 1 PUs; Combat Move - Italians 2 artilleries and 6 infantry moved from Tuscany to Venice 1 fighter and 2 infantry moved from Rome to Tuscany 1 infantry moved from British East Africa to German East Africa Combat - Italians Battle in Venice Italians attack with 6 artilleries and 13 infantry AustroHungarians defend with 1 infantry Italians roll dice for 6 artilleries and 13 infantry in Venice, round 2 : 10/19 hits, 8,33 expected hits AustroHungarians roll dice for 1 infantry in Venice, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0,50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians and 1 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Venice Italians win with 6 artilleries and 12 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for Italians: 1 infantry Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry Combat Move - Italians Place Units - Italians 5 infantry placed in Rome Turn Complete - Italians Italians collect 16 PUs; end with 17 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : 1,67 AustroHungarians regular : 0,50 -
@victoryfirst
Game HistoryRound: 2 Puchase Units - Americans Americans buy nothing; Remaining resources: 40 PUs; Turn Complete - Americans Americans collect 20 PUs; end with 60 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
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Game History
Round: 3 Puchase Units - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians buy 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry; Remaining resources: 0 PUs; Combat Move - AustroHungarians 6 artilleries and 23 infantry moved from Romania to Sevastopol 1 artillery and 3 infantry moved from Serbia to Albania 3 artilleries moved from Trieste to Albania 1 fighter moved from Serbia to Albania 4 infantry moved from Trieste to Albania 1 infantry moved from Vienna to Tyrolia 4 infantry moved from Vienna to Trieste 1 fighter moved from Vienna to Trieste 1 fighter moved from Vienna to Budapest 1 fighter moved from Serbia to Budapest 1 infantry moved from Galicia to Budapest 3 infantry moved from Galicia to Romania Combat - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians creates battle in territory Ukraine Battle in Ukraine AustroHungarians attack with 3 infantry Russians defend with 1 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 3 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 2/3 hits, 1.00 expected hits Russians roll dice for 1 infantry in Ukraine, round 2 : 1/1 hits, 0.50 expected hits 1 infantry owned by the Russians and 1 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians lost in Ukraine AustroHungarians win, taking Ukraine from Russians with 2 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 0 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 1 infantry Casualties for Russians: 1 infantry Battle in Albania AustroHungarians attack with 4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 7 infantry Italians defend with 1 artillery and 4 infantry AustroHungarians roll dice for 4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 7 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 6/12 hits, 6.00 expected hits Italians roll dice for 1 artillery and 4 infantry in Albania, round 2 : 3/5 hits, 2.50 expected hits 3 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians, 1 artillery owned by the Italians and 4 infantry owned by the Italians lost in Albania AustroHungarians win, taking Albania from Italians with 4 artilleries, 1 fighter and 4 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 7 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 3 infantry Casualties for Italians: 1 artillery and 4 infantry Battle in Sevastopol AustroHungarians attack with 6 artilleries and 23 infantry Russians defend with 2 artilleries, 2 infantry and 1 port AustroHungarians roll dice for 6 artilleries and 23 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 10/29 hits, 11.67 expected hits Russians roll dice for 2 artilleries and 2 infantry in Sevastopol, round 2 : 3/4 hits, 2.00 expected hits 2 infantry owned by the Russians, 3 infantry owned by the AustroHungarians and 2 artilleries owned by the Russians lost in Sevastopol AustroHungarians win, taking Sevastopol from Russians with 6 artilleries and 20 infantry remaining. Battle score for attacker is 5 Casualties for AustroHungarians: 3 infantry Casualties for Russians: 2 artilleries and 2 infantry Combat Move - AustroHungarians Place Units - AustroHungarians 2 artilleries, 1 fighter and 6 infantry placed in Vienna Turn Complete - AustroHungarians AustroHungarians collect 39 PUs; end with 39 PUsCombat Hit Differential Summary :
Italians regular : 0.50 Russians regular : 1.50 AustroHungarians regular : -0.67
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