What if the Soviet Union joined the Axis and Japan joined the Allies (well really Japan erupting into an Imperial Civil War)?


  • @superbattleshipyamato123 Not doubting your point, however the Axis (Germany, Russia, Italy, China) would have the advantage of being entrenched on the mainland where the Allies have to fight through in order to Win the War- the Axis really don’t have to go overseas to Win!


  • @nolimit

    Exactly, so you will have to update the winning conditions to force the Axis to have to go overseas-perhaps Axis need to take 15 victory cities on the map? Your Axis start with 7, and the most they can get from mainland Eurasia and Africa are an additional 5 victory cities-Operation Sealion, the invasion of the Philippines and the invasion of either North America, Australia, or Japan is needed.


  • @superbattleshipyamato123 Actually The Europe Axis starts with 6 VCs with China having none, i was thinking the AXIS would need a combined total of 10 VCs at the End of a Full Round- Allies would need to capture 2 Capitols while maintaining All their Own, including All of the African continent (excluding Strict Neutrals)!

  • 2024 '23 '22

    @nolimit

    Oops, sorry! My mistake…

    The reason I hoped to do 15 victory cities is that the Axis will have to build up a big navy, instead of just doing an all continental assault, perhaps we can make it a 13 victory cities required win, as that will require at least an Operation Sealion which, without a Japanese navy to worry about, the Americans and British can completely focus on the Atlantic, which will lead to epic naval battles.

    I think you should make so if China has all it’s territories captured, and the Allies control Africa (excluding strict neutrals), that combined, should be a substitute for capturing an Axis capital-it still won’t be an easy fight.

    Another insane idea that I have for you is to have the US join the Axis-how you will balance this is your choice (also, please tell me how many rounds it will take for the Axis to win with only the US with the Axis).


  • @superbattleshipyamato123 I was thinking the AXIS last 3 capturing VCs would be a hard enough fight for them, particularly if Russia has the OOB Rule of entering the War in Round 4 or unless the Allies Dow on them of course- I’m still working on the details, my group are in the current process of another G40 House rules we’ve been working on for almost a year over the YouTube already and so it’ll take a little time before I can devote my Full attention on the reverse sides we’ve been talking about!

  • 2024 '23 '22

    @superbattleshipyamato123

    Here are the ground forces comparison (Italy, Britain, Japan, ANZAC, and France, or Allies to China, Germany and the Soviet Union, or Axis):

    Infantry: 101 to 98 (in favour of the Allies)

    Tanks: 8 to 11 (in favour of the Axis)

    Artillery: 22 to 11 (in favour of the Allies)

    Mechanised infantry: 5 to 6 (in favour of the Axis)

    Anti aircraft artillery: 18 to 12 (in favour of the Allies)

    Total ground units (Allies to Axis): 153 units to 138 units (in favour of the Allies)

    Total IPCs in ground units (Allies to Axis): 545 IPCs to 488 IPCs (in favour of the Allies)

    Adding the US adds another 8 infantry, one tank, three mechanised infantry, two artillery, and four anti aircraft artillery, or 70 IPCs worth of ground units.


  • @superbattleshipyamato123 Actually in my version, Italy still are the Axis…

  • 2024 '23 '22

    @nolimit

    I know, I just want the Allies to the top three navies in the world and have the Axis try to breakout-I just love big naval battles, and this hypothetical Operation Sealion naval battle would be bigger than Leyte gulf, if the top three navies, plus the US, engaged in a battle with Germany and the Soviet Union, who have extensively built up.


  • @nolimit

    Got it!

  • 2024 '23 '22

    @superbattleshipyamato123

    And finally, let’s do air forces (includes aircraft on carriers, and the powers involved are the same earlier posts)

    Fighters: 26 to 9 (in favour of the Allies)

    Tactical bombers: 8 to 7 (in favour of the Allies)

    Strategic bombers: 4 to 2 (in favour of the Allies)

    Total air units (powers involved are the same as above): 38 to 18 (in favour of the Allies)

    Total IPCs of air units (powers involved are the same as above): 396 IPCs to 191 IPCs (in favour of the Allies)

    The US adds an additional 6 fighters, one tactical bomber, and one strategic bomber or 8 more air units, or 83 IPCs worth of air units.

    Perhaps Italy should be part of the Axis after all.


  • @superbattleshipyamato123 That’s for sure!


  • @nolimit

    I’m looking forward to your new rules!


  • @superbattleshipyamato123 I’ll send them here as soon as I finish a rough draft of it!😁

  • 2024 '23 '22

    @nolimit

    This is my crazy changing sides idea for my “bonkers” Axis And Allies game: Axis/“continental bloc”: France, Germany, Soviet Union, and China. Allies/“naval bloc”: ANZAC, UK, Japan, Italy, and US. British units in the territory France will move to the territory United Kingdom, and the vice versa for French units in the territory United Kingdom.

    Ground forces comparison (not including neutral US):

    Infantry: 86 to 95 (in favour of the Axis)

    Tanks: 6 to 13 (in favour of the Axis)

    Artillery: 19 to 13 (in favour of the Allies)

    Mechanised infantry: 4 to 6 (in favour of the Axis)

    Anti aircraft artillery: 17 to 13 (in favour of the Allies)

    Total ground units (Allies to Axis): 132 to 139 (in favour of the Axis)

    Total IPCs worth of ground units: 471 IPCs worth of ground units to 504 IPCs worth of ground units (in favour of the Axis)

    Adding the US adds another 8 infantry, one tank, three mechanised infantry, two artillery, and four anti aircraft artillery, or 70 IPCs worth of ground units.

    Naval forces comparison (not including neutral US):

    Battleships: 6 to 1 (in favour of the Allies)

    Cruisers: 10 to 4 (in favour of the Allies)

    Destroyers: 12 to 2 (in favour of the Allies)

    Transports: 11 to 1 (in favour of the Allies)

    Aircraft carriers: 4 to 1 (in favour of the Allies)

    Submarines: 3 to 7 (in favour of the Axis)

    Total ships: 42 ships to 15 ships (in favour of the Allies)

    Total IPCs worth of ships: 475 IPCs worth of ships to 113 IPCs worth of ships (in favour of the Allies)

    Adding the US navy at setup brings another one battleship, one aircraft carrier, 3 transports, 3 cruisers, 3 destroyers, two submarines, or 13 ships, or 129 IPCs worth of ships to the Allies.

    This looks a little more balanced.


  • @superbattleshipyamato123 That is crazy, don’t see Rome lasting for more than 2-3 Rounds…

  • 2024 '23 '22

    @nolimit

    Me neither, but the Allies can use their navy to evacuate and hopefully have Italy fight from Africa.

  • 2024 '23 '22

    @superbattleshipyamato123

    This is how it looks for air forces (including the ones on carriers):

    Fighters: 24 to 11 (in favour of the Allies)

    Tactical bombers: 8 to 7 (in favour of the Allies)

    Strategic bombers: 4 to 2 (in favour of the Allies)

    Total air units: 36 to 20 (in favour of the Allies)

    Total IPCs worth of air units: 376 IPCs worth of air units to 211 IPCs worth of air units

    Adding the US in gives an additional 6 fighters, one tactical bomber, one strategic bomber, or 8 more air units, or 83 IPCs worth of air units.

    So the Allies still completely dominate the air and sea, maybe that will help Italy a little bit (Allies can move the entire Tobruk stack to Rome in one turn, as well as one infantry, one artillery from Alexandria to Rome)


  • @superbattleshipyamato123

    Total IPCs for Allies to Axis (including US): 143 IPCs to 98 IPCs (in favour of the Allies)

    I’m not sure how balanced it is, even adding France into the mix.


  • @superbattleshipyamato123 In my version of the SOVIETS+China to the AXIS, they narrow the Gap with the Allies 133(Not counting France, No One ever counts France) to the Axis 89 IPCS- so the difference between them Ipcs wise isn’t so much like OOB!

  • 2024 '23 '22

    @nolimit

    Does your Axis amount count France’s loot? Thank you!

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