Personally, I like it when the Russian player does the Bury stack when I’m playing Japan. I would much rather eliminate these units early while they are far away from Moscow rather than chase them all the way back. It’s then just one less thing to worry about when I close in for the kill.
Japan should have 6 or 7 Fighters, a Battleship and a Cruiser in range of New Zealand at the end of Japan 1 to stop this maneuver. I’d almost let England keep their Industrial in India to sink the Americans and the British off New Zealand and end the threat to Japan from the ocean, IMHO.
Of course, it sort of has the pre-requisite of not losing two fighters in SZ 56, two fighters in SZ 35, and/or 2 fighters and a destroyer in SZ 53.
@Cmdr:
Japan should have 6 or 7 Fighters, a Battleship and a Cruiser in range of New Zealand at the end of Japan 1 to stop this maneuver.
Which maneuver are you referring to Jen?
The bringing of the Allied fleets together in Solomon Islands. I guess going all the way down to New Zealand might protect them for a round, but it’s an unsustainable position that early in the game. By the time you can move them out to do something, the entire Japanese fleet should be right on top of you because Japan needs it’s fleet down there in the first two rounds of the game, just to get their NOs.
@Cmdr:
The bringing of the Allied fleets together in Solomon Islands. I guess going all the way down to New Zealand might protect them for a round, but it’s an unsustainable position that early in the game. By the time you can move them out to do something, the entire Japanese fleet should be right on top of you because Japan needs it’s fleet down there in the first two rounds of the game, just to get their NOs.
Taking out the 7 inf stack in Bury would leave the Japanese fleet out of position to strike the Allied fleet in the Solomon’s. So because of that would you leave the infantry in Buryatia alone?
I, actually, don’t think Japan can take the 7 infantry stack in Buryatia, nor do they need to do so. They’re virtually harmless to Japan.
What can they do? They can take Manchuria, but, Japan could crush them there. They can stay put, but Japan could crush them there too.
Either way, they’re not really much of a threat. Now, if Japan elects to hit the combined allied fleet in the south, they might have a harder time retaking Manchuria and it could cost them a National Objective, and possibly, give China another infantry on their turn (because of the extra free land), but it’s not guaranteed. You might be able to do both depending on what you lost sinking the Americans in the first round or not.
Even if you don’t retake Manchuria, i think it’s a better deal to sink the combined Allied fleet than get the NO for that round. It can be really annoying to have the British destroyer open a path so the Americans can attack your fleet!
If the Allied fleet is protected for a round it can always withdraw towards America. They can do that plus add a couple plans to defend the Aussies, if australia can survive. How much equipment though can you freely move around if you have 7 inf in bry to deal with, a fortified China, and a somewhat sizeable allied fleet. At that point, you are not there to actually threaten Japan just make it respond, tighten up its game play, and hopefully slow it down for a turn or 2, all at no IPC’s spent. I think it is a good thing for the Allies to force Japans movement as early as possable. And if you are going Pacific heavy with the Americans it can be re enforced fairly quickly, or maybe you could send boats up the north pacific, or dump trannies off in Russia.
The 7 inf Bury stack, placed maybe for just 1 rnd is not a game breaking, slam dunk winning move for Russia, but I think it helps, especially if you have an allied fleet on the bottom. And RUS inf in china. Japan has to have enough equip now both north and south to deal with a 7 inf bury stack and an allied stack. And in both cases the Allied forces in the area can immediatly withdraw to saftey if they want on the next turn, all at no cost of IPC’s and forcing Japan to react.
If the Allied fleet is protected for a round it can always withdraw towards America. They can do that plus add a couple plans to defend the Aussies, if australia can survive. How much equipment though can you freely move around if you have 7 inf in bry to deal with, a fortified China, and a somewhat sizeable allied fleet. At that point, you are not there to actually threaten Japan just make it respond, tighten up its game play, and hopefully slow it down for a turn or 2, all at no IPC’s spent. I think it is a good thing for the Allies to force Japans movement as early as possable. And if you are going Pacific heavy with the Americans it can be re enforced fairly quickly, or maybe you could send boats up the north pacific, or dump trannies off in Russia.
The 7 inf Bury stack, placed maybe for just 1 rnd is not a game breaking, slam dunk winning move for Russia, but I think it helps, especially if you have an allied fleet on the bottom. And RUS inf in china. Japan has to have enough equip now both north and south to deal with a 7 inf bury stack and an allied stack. And in both cases the Allied forces in the area can immediatly withdraw to saftey if they want on the next turn, all at no cost of IPC’s and forcing Japan to react.
IMO the Bury stack is usefull rnd1 but after that I usually withdraw. The new map makes the Northern and Central routes to Moscow a really long haul, I use that to the allied advantange with delaying tacticts. Trying to have a confrontation with Japan on the costal territories is a waste of manpower. If you don’t withdraw the Bury stack on R2, Japan will kill it.
If your gonna use Russia to bolster China, then withdrawing the Bury stack to Stc makes more sense. You’ll need some offensive punch too, probablly bombers or fighters, but then that weakens your front against Germany.
If you’re up to it, let’s play and see how it works out.
I certainly would like to play it out, unfortunatly this week I don’t have the luxury, so if you take rain checks
I certainly would like to play it out, unfortunatly this week I don’t have the luxury, so if you take rain checks
Rain check is fine, PM me when you’re ready.
