🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting

[aardvarkpepper]

@djensen said in 🎲😢 PRNG dice support group — and ranting:

Without a “luck meter” there’s no real way to know for sure.

Suppose there were a luck meter. How would you see it working, specifically?

[djensen]

@aardvarkpepper Doesn’t TripleA have something like this. Basically it shows you how closely all of your rolls are the average. Early in the game it would be fairly wild but, conceivably, by the end of the game the averages should be average.

[djensen]

WTAF?

[aardvarkpepper]

@djensen

So attacking fighter hit, attacking fighter never rolled (which technically it ought to have but eh), then defending carrier inflicted a hit that you had to take on the bomber because the fighter had disappeared? Does that sum up the screenshots correctly?

As to TripleA’s implementation of a “luck” meter, noted. I thought perhaps you had something different in mind.

[djensen]

I know I’m cherry picking but WTAF?

[Imperious Leader]

@djensen use stabilized dice only

[JuliusBorisovBeamdog]

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[djensen]

@juliusborisovbeamdog But we like ranting. :wink: :rolling_on_the_floor_laughing:

[Brian Cannon]

@djensen

[Brian Cannon]

@brian-cannon

[Brian Cannon]

@brian-cannon There is just something drastically wrong with the dice, and there has been for awhile. I have suspicions of a number of things but that there is something badly wrong I have no doubt. How units like infantry and artillery have such a dramatically successful hit rate on defense and conversely units that require a 3 or more have a god awful hit rate. The funny thing is as Axis on turn 1, my units defending West Russia and Ukraine never seem to hit a damn thing, but on subsequent turns on the attack I cant take Transjordan without suffering a casualty if I take it at all, or Japs attacking Anwhei turn 1, 4 inf and a fighter and I see 2 defending infantry wipe 2-3 attacking infantry, it just simply doesnt make sense and its terribly sad that there has been nothing done to correct the problem. Have the devs deliberately weighted the dice? Does each player have their own dice profile? Are players using third party programs to affect dice rolls?

[djensen]

@brian-cannon If you think hard about it or if you’ve ever played 6 games in one weekend, it might be closer to real life than we think.

When was the last time you did or wanted to throw your dice across the room? At the last Gen Con, I had consistently below average dice all weekend.

[Brian Cannon]

@djensen I have played hundreds of game @djensen. This season a couple of handful’s as I left out of pure frustration for a couple months due to the dice and the inaction of the development team to recognize there was a serious problem and to react to it. I have played countless games of the actual board game and know how frustrating normal dice are but the dice represented in this game are ridiculous, not borderline ridiculous, but completely ridiculous.
I have participated in the Dice survey and when asked about high value units scoring automatic hits I answered NO, as I do not believe automatic hits are called for nor fair. What I did say is I want random dice. I believe the Devs have always known about the dice, in fact I think the dice as they are were deliberately put in by the Devs to even out the slight Axis advantage that this version of the game has. It is one thing to see a crazy result a couple of times but that isn’t the case here, the oddities in rolls are frequent and continuing.
As far as the developers, had they been transparent with the community from the get go, I think the player base might have been more understanding, but rather than listen early on, they denied completely there was a hint of a problem. Now they seem to be reacting to the ground swell of complaints but it rings hollow, and is undercut by their previous inaction. The dice are the most important aspect of this game, and if they aren’t fair or there is something wrong, then the integrity of this game and the results are nothing. That isn’t to say strategy does not play a large part, it certainly does but dice decide outcomes.

[Brian Cannon]

@brian-cannon This isnt me BTW, just another customer

[Brian Cannon]

@brian-cannon @djensen I would point out that a few months ago, Wargamer.com featured A&A 1942 online and pointed out the problematic dice, as well as pointing out the lack of response to said dice by the Developers. The writers for Wargamer.com have been around wargames based on dice, it’s their profession. The response to the article from a former developer at Beamdog was to downplay the criticism and said the article’s criticism of the dice “was just a thing”

[Imperious Leader]

@brian-cannon @everyone

You folks need to clarify if the dice was original or stabilized, once they acknowledged the problem they fixed it. You used to hear me go ad nauseum about “tit for tat” dice results. But no more. I believe its fixed. I’m now at 84% and each game has bad rolls and i win anyway. The change was immediate from the first game with stabilized dice.

[Brian Cannon]

@imperious-leader stabilized dice only exist in custom games, I do not play custom games

[Imperious Leader]

@brian-cannon Well play normal games then?

[Brian Cannon]

@imperious-leader ranked games are a lot easier to play Imperious, I dont have to look for anyone, I click the button and the game is assembled. I understand your point but why if the dice are fixed why didn’t they just implement those dice game wide? I have also seen a post by Quintin casting doubt that the stabilized dice are any different.

[Imperious Leader]

@brian-cannon “ranked” games are 1 vs. 1 and that’s not Axis and Allies. The whole point is to deal with the inadequacy of worse teammates making mistakes, or learning from a better player and not finely tuned coordinated national strategies. This simulates the actual war as nations had their own path that at times was not perfectly coordinated like some symphony. You constantly have to adjust to your teammate and your own mistakes during the game. On the other hand, i don’t have trouble getting into games but im wondering why some rooms you cant get into when you click, and others get you stuck in limbo. I prefer to create my own games, lots of people just join quickly.