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    @Cmdr:

    Ya know, DM, I have not seen a need for an American Aircraft Carrier purchase prior to Round 5.  Until then you are working with the British fleet anyway, so the extra carrier really doesn’t help much.  However, after this point, England’s consolidated their fleet in home waters and you’ll need a little more defensive punch so you can split the fleets if you want too.

    The US AC protects me for any type of German naval shenanigans as well as an eventual move to Sz 14 or something.  And it can be deadly in wiping out an expanded German Med fleet in the wrong sz if you follow up with AC + 2 ftrs on US 2.  Anything in Sz 13 or 14 is then toast.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Possibly, though, I never have problems with the Germans getting out of the Med through SZ 12 anyway.  SZ 34 is a different story, Mr. German blitz on Australia!

    BTW, you gunna post a round in our game? :P


  • I don’t like relying on the UK to build the carrier, they are much closer to the action (which means they should focus on dropping hard, not defending) and it takes up a big chunk of their income.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I’m not relying on them to build a carrier.  I am patiently waiting for their Carrier to sail home.  It should be there on Round 3.  America can wait 2 more rounds to build one, or they can build one on Round 3 and move it into position on Round 4.  Though, to be honest, Round 5 is normally my choice because I want as much in Karelia as possible before spanking the Germans in the Southern Europe states.


  • I am patiently waiting for their Carrier to sail home.  It should be there on Round 3.

    But it’s like what round 4 before landing in Norway? That’s a round too late for my taste. I don’t mind buying 1 carrier on US1, but I’ll try not to get anything more than that unless Germany is up to some naval linking shenanigans.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    I’m not exactly “waiting” for 4 rounds.

    For rounds 1-2 I am dumping in Africa with America.  Rounds 3 and 4 I am landing in Norway with America.  Rounds 4-20 I am landing in Karelia/Archangelsk with just myself while America lands in W. Europe or Africa/Southern European States/Caucasus depending on the situation.

    The point is, why waste 16 IPC on a carrier you already have?  Why not work around the minor inconvenience of not having it while waiting for it to arrive while achieving secondary and tertiary objectives and then going for primary objectives?


  • I guess I don’t see a need for overachieving a secondary objective (Africa) at the cost of undercutting the main objective (Europe). Africa’s worth a lot, but Europe’s worth even more, and I think that 3 rounds of Allied dumpage into Africa is overkill.

    Also I think that waiting for the carrier is worse than it looks. If you ran it as far as possible, it could be off of W. Europe on UK4, that’s not even Norway. If you ran it with your TP (which counterattacked Egypt) then it’ll take another turn to get there.

    I don’t think that you will always have the time to wait that long for a carrier to arrive, especially when Germany makes some sort of minor naval purchase.

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Yes, but without Africa, taking Europe is much harder.  Germany’s pulling in 45+ IPC which is more then Russia and England together.  If you liberate Africa Germany’s pulling in 35+ IPC which is less then Russia and England together.  Not to mention, if you use America for the liberation of Africa, you can still send British forces to Russia to help defend meanwhile, staging the American fleet in SZs 12 and 16 forcing Germany to defend Ukraine, Balkans, S. Europe and W. Europe.  That’s a lot of places to defend adequately.


  • I guess I don’t see a need for overachieving a secondary objective (Africa) at the cost of undercutting the main objective (Europe).

    I’ll just quote myself there, I never said you should abandon Africa in favor of Europe. I just think that going 3 rounds is overkill (overachievement)

  • '18 '17 '16 '11 Moderator

    Not really.  It might take 3 rounds to finally over power the combined forces of Germany and Japan.  Actually, it USUALLY takes 3 rounds of loads to finally out stack the combined German/Japanese defensive forces in Africa.

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